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6max- AQo, 3bet vs tight, called by fish

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Whysoseriouz
Joined: 07.05.2011

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,280)
BB ($1,840)
UTG ($1,350)
UTG+1 ($1,640)
CO ($1,300)
Hero ($1,590)

Dealt to Hero Q♥ A♠

UTG calls $20, UTG+1 raises to $110, fold, Hero raises to $300, fold, fold, UTG calls $280, fold

FLOP ($740) 2♣ 6♥ 8♥

UTG checks, Hero checks

TURN ($740) 2♣ 6♥ 8♥ 9♠

UTG checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($740) 2♣ 6♥ 8♥ 9♠ T♥

UTG bets $150, Hero calls $150

Hero shows Q♥ A♠
(Pre 58%, Flop 77.3%, Turn 70.5%)

UTG shows T♦ J♦
(Pre 42%, Flop 22.7%, Turn 29.5%)

UTG wins $1,040

UTG +1 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 246 ( MP OR 11%, fold to 3bet 78%)

UTG - VPIP: 62, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, Hands: 221

First of all, is it ok to 3bet w/ AQo IP vs such tight OR range (11%). I think he is a slightly tight reg and he will fold hands like medium pairs, AT, KQs. What range would be optimum to 3bet vs this opponent?

Then other fish limps and calls my 3bet, which by the way i think could have been sized smaller (250-275). Normally i would cbet vs 1 opp, two things held me back.
1. His line was very weird. Yes he is a fish, but fish sometimes play premiums like this (AA-QQ).
2. Cbet would mean about 350 chips( a lot for my stack) and he has a nice stack to shove there.


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reggie123
Joined: 31.03.2009

I dont like it, you dont have a plan to continue if you miss the flop. There are 2 harts on flop, allmost every fish in the world will shove there with overpair, fdraw, even with 8x this is "must be" cbet spot. Fish love to see flop, give him that change but then take it down.


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Whysoseriouz
Joined: 07.05.2011

thanx for the comments reggie123!

Normally i would take that line. But recently fishes are shoving every low card flop vs my cbets.... my cbet success is going downhill! I guess i'm being result orientated or not taking enough care of my image...

...it was suspicious, i've seen fishes limp AA/KK in UTG so many times :f_eek:


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IvicaIliev77
Joined: 31.05.2012

3 bet is up for discussion here since if he 4 bets what are you going to do there with AQ? I think just calling is fine. If you do decide to 3 bet utg+1 raiser then you are representing very strong hand. On this type of flop I would always c bet since I missed and there is a lot of cards that are not working for me (heart, and ones that complete sd). If you did decide to check it down and bluff catch you definitely don't want to do it on this type of board since everything is completed (sd, fd,sets, two pairs) so in this instance A high only beats J,Q,K and weaker A high which is not enough to call this river so as you played must fold river.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Preflop is no good! Here we have a fish who wants to give us his money, and a reg who has a tight range isolating him. We have a pretty marginal hand, but that's OK because if we call, the fish gets to call as well and give us his money after the flop. That's the option I would take.

As played we get the dream scenario: the reg who wants to take our money leaves and the fish calls us. I think when such a loose player coldcalls a reraise, he can have a lot of funky trash. As such I don't mind both a check back/bluffcatch line or a bet/fold line. Check back is certainly fairly attractive because we have an OK backdoor flushdraw too with our Q :heart:.

As played though when our opponent checks again on the turn, I'd just bet here for value. If he wanted to bluff, he would've done it already, so we're just giving out freecards now. He can easily have any myriad combination of 2 broadway hands, and sometimes he decides to fold with a low pocketpair (33-55).

On the river I sighcall, but folding's fine too. Price we're getting is amazing but there's just so few hands that miss...


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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Hey,
Just for another answer.
I agree 85% with chenny8888.
About turn sizing, 300 could even do the work, this way u wont give him free cards. Like chenny said u could bet for value against draws. overcards etc.
River is close but from my experience i like the fold more, cause IMO they always have sth if they bet small as played (fishes).
HF


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