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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

DAY 6

Again another bad day. I was bubble setuped all the time. Finish distirbution 18%+ 4rth places. Just idiotic. I pushed 4 hands in row and somehow all called with A8+ in the same time

I guess i have to decide to move in another platform. I am 100% sure that somehow my account is rigged. I saw all time every day, one year now every possible bad beat, post flop, every 67/17 fish limp AA KK shove over with A9+, dominated all time in bubble, outflopped all time etc

I just dont know if it is worthing to stay in a so rigged platform. It is just impossible to run so bad in so big sample. Yeah most people laugh but they just dont know

Fe

You have the chiplead sir? I will fuck you

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($2,094)
BB ($3,027)
UTG ($1,600)
CO ($3,212)
Hero ($3,567)

Dealt to Hero A♣ 4♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to $420, fold, BB calls $220

FLOP ($1,065) 2♦ 9♦ 5♥

BB checks, Hero bets $420, BB calls $420

TURN ($1,905) 2♦ 9♦ 5♥ J♠

BB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($1,905) 2♦ 9♦ 5♥ J♠ 3♠

BB bets $600, Hero raises to $2,600, BB calls $1,562 (AI)

BB shows 4♦ 6♦
(Pre 34%, Flop 55.9%, Turn 34.1%)

Hero shows A♣ 4♥
(Pre 66%, Flop 44.1%, Turn 65.9%)

BB wins $6,229

You are ahead in bubble sir? I will mega outflop you

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer
Hero ($2,923)
BB ($3,192)
CO ($4,254)
BTN ($3,131)

Dealt to Hero Q♥ Q♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to $630, BB calls $330

FLOP ($1,360) 9♦ 7♥ 6♣

Hero bets $600, BB calls $600

TURN ($2,560) 9♦ 7♥ 6♣ 6♦

Hero bets $1,668 (AI), BB calls $1,668

RIVER ($5,896) 9♦ 7♥ 6♣ 6♦ 2♠

Hero shows Q♥ Q♠
(Pre 72%, Flop 78.2%, Turn 4.5%)

BB shows A♦ 6♥
(Pre 28%, Flop 21.8%, Turn 95.5%)

BB wins $5,896

Do you want to take value from worse and play post flop? Here in jokerstars we dont play postflop sir

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($8,191)
Hero ($3,095)
BTN ($2,214)

Dealt to Hero Q♦ A♥

fold, SB raises to $400, Hero raises to $1,200, SB calls $800

FLOP ($2,475) 8♣ 8♥ 5♥

SB checks, Hero bets $1,000, SB raises to $2,000, Hero calls $870 (AI)

TURN ($6,215) 8♣ 8♥ 5♥ J♦

RIVER ($6,215) 8♣ 8♥ 5♥ J♦ 4♣

Hero shows Q♦ A♥
(Pre 59%, Flop 4.2%, Turn 0.0%)

SB shows 9♠ 8♠
(Pre 41%, Flop 95.8%, Turn 100.0%)

SB wins $6,215

And boom redline is scewed. I dont want to be a 3% roi regular but i see the same shit over and over again. I dont even now how i can be 3% while i run so cold over a huge sample

The problem is that every other platform has shitty software and i dont really like to play elsewhere but this is a joke. 2012 running shitty and 2013 continues

I want my fucking stolen money back you fucking jokerstars

There worst thing is that they are regulars like Mavish the fish bad or Adequatee or Partykaemper and so many others that they are horrible. They are awful and they run so good

Of course they are the same regulars that they refuse to post their graph. I asked several times but they harassed me and told me that i am the one that i run good. Lol seriously? Braindead regulars. I fucking hate how good they run. Especially when they are so bad

One time i asked a regular to give me his graph. He told me i dont run that good that you think. He was running 120bis above ev. Yeah i am insane. Fuck off


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Oh and because they are a ton of people that will say shitty sample or that i say the things in my favor or whatever other shit they can think

Lifetime

Turbos:

Bounties:

Yeah i am insane


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Just to proof that it's not the platform, I run 300 BI under EV at FT, mostly 9man turbo's (sample size 20k+). So something u already knew, switching platforms doesn't help.


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Haha

Yes i agree. Man please tell me how can you stand this? Honestly. I know you are decent player and i try to not loose my mind. I worked a lot my mental game to not think that it is rigged

Honestly i make more money than most people in my country while running super bad and this is the only thing that is keeping me. This and i have this love for the game itself. Even now i dont hate the game. I want to play. It is not about the money, it is more about that it destroys my mood for the game

Any advice is welcome _frown:


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Yes well it's not easy of course, but like you said, it's important to try and keep your mental game in check. And obviously find ways to keep improving (I think you are doing that already, with coaching from acbarone etc). I have often thought that it's the way I play that causes me to have such a big difference in EV.

For me personally the hardest part is to let go of this feeling of entitlement, because you already run so much below EV, every beat that stacks on top of that makes it harder to cope. But remember that the cards have no memory.


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Originally posted by Demonic226

For me personally the hardest part is to let go of this feeling of entitlement, because you already run so much below EV, every beat that stacks on top of that makes it harder to cope. But remember that the cards have no memory.

This is the hardest part. I cant understand that cards have no memory _cry:


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Thank you for your kind words & comments thus far. I hope I continue to feature in your blog the same way all year ;)

A tip for you: read up on variance. Last year you won the BOP leaderboard one week (obv everyone needs a hella lot of rungood to win that), and 2 days later you were screaming and crying about that day's run bad in the chat box.

If someone runs good vs you for 1 day you seem to think they are blessed with the magical hand of Pokergod for the rest of eternity.

I had my worst month ever last month, and a 120bi downswing just before xmas. I was running over 180bis below ev in all formats and was getting killed by everyone, yourself included. It happens. If you can get your head around this then maybe you will be a consistent winner.

In poker it is better to make friends not enemies...

Happy new year to you and gl at the tables.


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PS my HEM is uninstalled again for the time being but when I decide to reinstall it I will post you my graph since you are so interested. gl :)


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

I ask a graph 6 months now and you never gave it and i can see you run good because i see your plays. Magic of tiled setup. As for your comments about variance

Variance is related to sample. If my downswing was only for 5k games i wouldnt whine at all. Obviously you need to get your fix eyes so you can see the bottom line better

I won bop 3 times last year. So what? Yeah when you i runned 300bis bellow ev i had a heater for 100 games and i won back 50 bis. Then i runned bad again and drop to 320bis and you can see it from my graph

Most of your plays are terrible. When i post a hand in 2+2 vs a reg they asked who was the reg and i told Mavis. They laughed and they told me lol for mavis is reg. No matter how bad you are you are a reg

Most of your plays are terrible. I see all time. You raise 44 leaving 20 chips behind as ss in bubble (which is good) and you overcall two bigger stacks (which means you are braindead and you dont even know why you leave this chips behind). You push 73o for 13bbs hus and i can continue all day

And you talked me shit because i called A7s from your 6-7bbs push from the button? GTFO

Your luck makes me want to through up. You are the only person who I really hate and envy in the same time. Your luck is unbelievable my ''friend'' and it makes me really sick. Maybe if i runned normal i wouldnt even bother thrash talking with you

You are the best!!!

Happy new year


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Bertha,

Thank you for the references to the year old post you made on the 2+2 forums before you got banned where you and haarlem were discussing other regs' plays and where he called me a donk or something.

I also thank you for the two epic examples of my bad play you posted. I am 100% sure these were not misclicks or anything else so please add them to your notes immediately. I look forward to continued updates in your 'blog' every time I'm 30 tabling and i make a slightly -ev play / misclick when I am in your games. Perhaps at the end of 2013 you will have a dossier of these hands which together with your run bad graphs you can use to backup your theory that pokerstars is rigged. Against you but nobody else.

Every time you tell me to 'die', call me a 'british phaggot' or tell me to 'kill yourself' it does make me feel all warm inside, but imo you should instead type into google 'how not to tilt in poker' and perhaps you will find ways of managing your anger slightly better.

I think we would make a great couple.

GL at the tables.

Mavis.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

belthazorrrr,

Support for you in this community is contingent on you behaving well. You are skating on thin ice, so to speak.

Originally posted by MavisHandbag
Thank you for your kind words & comments thus far. I hope I continue to feature in your blog the same way all year ;)

A tip for you: read up on variance. Last year you won the BOP leaderboard one week (obv everyone needs a hella lot of rungood to win that), and 2 days later you were screaming and crying about that day's run bad in the chat box.

If someone runs good vs you for 1 day you seem to think they are blessed with the magical hand of Pokergod for the rest of eternity.

I had my worst month ever last month, and a 120bi downswing just before xmas. I was running over 180bis below ev in all formats and was getting killed by everyone, yourself included. It happens. If you can get your head around this then maybe you will be a consistent winner.

In poker it is better to make friends not enemies...

Happy new year to you and gl at the tables.

To me this is a pretty reasonable response from a guy who is crushing the game in a way that completey outstrips anything of which you have so far been capable. Literally tens of thousands of games more than you, with nearly double the ROI.

May I suggest that you refrain from saying things like:

Originally posted by belthazorrrr

I want my fucking stolen money back you fucking jokerstars

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One time i asked a regular to give me his graph. He told me i dont run that good that you think. He was running 120bis above ev. Yeah i am insane. Fuck off

...

However much it would suit you to think that the world is against you, the reality is very different. But if you badmouth people and act in an ungentlmanly manner, don't expect this community to back you up and keep giving you second chances.


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Originally posted by MavisHandbag

I think we would make a great couple.

GL at the tables.

Mavis.

Lol at least you are funny

As for missclicks when i chatted you, you insisted that you have made good play or whatever, dont try to corrupt how the things are


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Originally posted by Tim64
belthazorrrr,

Support for you in this community is contingent on you behaving well. You are skating on thin ice, so to speak.

You are the last one that you should talk about support. I added you on skype after i paid most of the money back because i wanted two hours of coaching. You didnt even bother to add me to see what i want

Originally posted by Tim64

To me this is a pretty reasonable response from a guy who is crushing the game in a way that completey outstrips anything of which you have so far been capable. Literally tens of thousands of games more than you, with nearly double the ROI.

Get your facts straight his sample is only in KOS. He loose 2-3% of total roi because of the bounty effect. As a coach you should be more informed

Mega spoiler

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=32143392&postcount=7

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By comparing my stats and comparing the stats of other grinders. If you want a rough estimation, assume that you will lose 2-3% of your "sharkscope ROI" to bounty loss. 10-12% is definitely possible at the KOs without taking into account the bounties, so assuming you're making around that, then you're actually looking at about 7-9%, which still exceeds what all but the best players are getting at the turbos nowadays.

His actual roi is 3-4% at most and i have the same in turbos while running terrible. Get your facts straight before you answer

Even now that i run like this sharkscope shows i have 4% roi in bounties while i am breakeven. Get it?

Thanks for passing by


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Are we just talking about KO tourneys now then? OK. This penis-waving contest is getting silly now, but rather than try to mislead anyone I will post the stats and then ppl can make up their own minds.

In 9-man KO tourneys only:

MavisHandbag 30,054 $0.71 $9.71 7.2% $21,320 69 $3.93 $8.04

belthazorrr 2,133 $0.45 $11.26 3.7% $954 66 $1.48 $4.27 (it would be even lower if you hadn't reset your stats )

Is my 30k game sample size big enough for you btw? ;)

In summary then:
- You have a 0.7% ROI when subtracting the 3% you say should be taken off for bounty tournaments.

- Mine is 4.2%. That's many hundreds of percent higher than 0.7% btw. ;)

- I have been playing roughly 2x the amount of tables that you have. Obviously ROI drops when you increase tables.

If you are going to call someone out and say there are a terrible fish etc (I've no doubt that I am occasionally btw), then at least try not to make yourself look silly in doing so...

Again... gl at the tables.


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meepwn
Joined: 11.07.2011

lol someone just got owned


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Lol idiot

Seriously?

Do you ever use your brain?

1) $9.71$ you play 7$. I talk about only your 15$
2) look my graph
3) Compare my turbo stats which are good sample and is bellow 80+bis with your kos

get the facts straight fucking idiot

Your 15$ kos with mine 15$ turbos which are all big samples and not 2k tiny samples

Mavis: 6.1% 15k sample $11.29
Beltha: 2.8% 15k sample $13.89

So you are 3.1% in kos. Use your brain one time

If i wanted to show as i want i will put your turbos with mine turbos which you have 38 games played. Please use your brain before you post again with some shit and different things. Post your graph and we talk. I guess this is why hem is unistalled. It show you as 3% and ev 1%

Gl


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LOL wow. haha I don't even need to respond to that mess you wrote. Self ownage at its finest.

Seriously dude, go and take a shower, go for a walk and calm down. You seem like you've totally lost it at the mo so make sure you de-tilt before your next session.

See you on the tables.

GL.


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belthazorrrr
Joined: 12.02.2011

Standar response from a guy that compares eggs with apples. Wp again

[ ] Posting your graph from ''unistalled'' HEM


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by belthazorrrr
You are the last one that you should talk about support. I added you on skype after i paid most of the money back because i wanted two hours of coaching. You didnt even bother to add me to see what i want

The thing is I'm not under any obligation to accept contact requests in skype or anywhere else. You see it as your right to be among my contacts. I see it as my right to refuse contact requests from people believed by me (at the time I receive the request) to be, at the very least, "untrustworthy".

You also conveniently ignore the fact that I implored everyone here to give you a break:

Originally posted by Tim64
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I would urge everyone who is not directly involved in the staking and payback arrangements not to deliberately derail this process by insulting OP. If it was your money that you were waiting for, you would not be happy for others to jeopardise that.

If those who were actually harmed by this can accept this as a genuine attempt to make something right, then it's not for others to prevent it happening. Lets wait and see. It takes courage for someone to admit they made a mistake and behaved badly.

I don't think much is to be gained from continuing this so I will gracefully withdraw from this conversation. I guess we see things very differently.


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Sigh. I'm not really sure why I am still replying but since I'm on a break I might as well, lol.

- I compared egg (KO stts) with egg (KO stts) (see the above example).

- You are trying to compare egg (KO stts) with apple (non KO stts). You also say that 2k isn't a big enough sample size yet you threaten to shame me by posting a 38 game sample that we have played together.

Another example of your brilliant consistency is saying that your sample of 5000 games where you are slightly below ev means the site is rigged against you (lol), but you are then somehow trying to argue with my posted example of over 30,000 games.

But thank you again for illustrating that my ROI in these games is double what yours is (using your own example).

It's clear that unless you drastically change your mindset then you are going to implode every time you run remotely bad. Results oriented thinking isn't the best way to approach things when you're allegedly living on your own and trying to pay bills etc is it...

Regardless of all this, for the 5th time today I would like to wish you a prosperous new year and gl at the tables.


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