Hyper turbo vs Fifty50

There are people winning over large samples of Fifty50's.... Sharkscope leaderboards can prove this but meh, I hate them and broke even over 600 of them at the start of January.

Why not just stick to what you're good at or play cash? Cash is inherently less swingy than sng's due to the lack of a push\fold phase and there are plenty of limits with fish all the way up. I think that in terms of % BR increase for each 1k hands cash is better than sng's too provided you're a winning player.

Hi Styr,
In the 3rd graph for 50-50s, The AI-EV line tells you only the times u went all-in .
Basically in 50-50, u should steal a lot @ the later stages. From ur graph I guess u play very tight @ early levels and go AI @ the later stages.
U need to steal a lot at the middle levels (say ex:25/50 if u start with 1200-1500 stack). I have'nt played 50-50 in stars, but I play Double or nothing Sngs in 888 poker. Its pretty much similar to 50-50s. But in 50-50s u should play a really aggressive game when ur the chip leader on the bubble/pre-bubble whereas in DONs, u can sit-out if can fold ur way into the money.

When I started playing DONs I had the same problem with the AI-EV line.
U can start focussing on ur steal moves.
1. Steal tight players blinds whenever u can.
2. Try 2 finish without going AI, by stealing and re-stealing.

PS: Most of the DON and 50-50 players are Rake back grinders who are break even players. But if ur steal game is good u can be a winning player with 10+% ROI. These games are easily beatable and u can move up quickly too. And they have the lowest variance.

Why are you calling fifties unbeatable when you're obviously beating them?

Red line is what counts (if it's at all accurate).

Hi VladimirN,

Do u still play DON? No updates in your blog? I play 10$s in 888 poker.

Originally posted by VISHMASTER
Hi VladimirN,

Do u still play DON? No updates in your blog? I play 10$s in 888 poker.

Hey, there isn't many interesting stuff to post about. I will post more often when I get to 20s though.

As well since I went to William Hill I try to play as few DoNs as possible, because players there are simply awful. They call with crap like J6 (10 bb deep) when I just want to steal the blinds etc. so it's practically unplayable.

EDIT: You can post in my blog if you have a question, so we don't spam this thread.

Hi! im in the same boat as you are!

Hyperturbos or 50s..

ORRRR.. Zoom poker..

50s seens to much BE.. Ill try the hyperturbos, do you have any material to study this mofos please? ♦

Thank you for the replies, Vishmaster, especially.

I have moved to 9max Hyper Turboes since. Moved down to 6 tables and provided I do not get too mad about it on the bubble, it seems actually the be the single most profitable form of poker I have found. (Profitable, as in suiting my needs and my style, that is.)

I will try the Fifty50es out again - maybe it will work. The reason I would consider that, is because I can move up the limits, whereas there are hardly any games at the $30 or higher levels in the 9max Hyper Turboes.

My trouble with Fifty50es seems to be defending my blinds in the mid-levels. Lets say I hold AJo, with a 1300-1700 stack, when the blinds are 25/50 to 50/100, and a 500 stack pushes into me from a late position. Even if I have no, or little stats on them, I would be right in guessing they will push a wide range - and more often than not, they do. Well, oftentimes I win, but almost equally as often they hit, and now I am somewhat crippled myself.

As for the EV line - the method how it is calculated, and any logic behind it remains a mystery to me. For example: I had QQ, raised pre flop, villain called with 97o, hit a straight in the flop, we ended up going all in, and my EV line went down.

I play lots of dons recently, it looks non variance heavy, but I feel otherwise. Nowadays most players actually know how to play dons, hence most games actually end only when the blinds are high and effective stacks are very short. Very often if you get a premium hand in the early stages people will just fold to your raise/open shove. Thus in most games you will be shoving very light in the late stages just to prevent yourself from blinding out. Experienced players will call lighter because they know you are shoving light, especially in turbo dons. This itself is variance heavy. I have won and lost close to 10 dons in a row before(turbo though). Dons are not very profitable anymore, unless you select your games very well, or if you're just grinding for bonuses since these games end fairly quickly if you play turbo or hypers.

If you are a skilled player 6/9 max hypers should be way more profitable for you since you get paid much more for winning.

Originally posted by Styr
Thank you for the replies, Vishmaster, especially.

I have moved to 9max Hyper Turboes since. Moved down to 6 tables and provided I do not get too mad about it on the bubble, it seems actually the be the single most profitable form of poker I have found. (Profitable, as in suiting my needs and my style, that is.)

I will try the Fifty50es out again - maybe it will work. The reason I would consider that, is because I can move up the limits, whereas there are hardly any games at the $30 or higher levels in the 9max Hyper Turboes.

My trouble with Fifty50es seems to be defending my blinds in the mid-levels. Lets say I hold AJo, with a 1300-1700 stack, when the blinds are 25/50 to 50/100, and a 500 stack pushes into me from a late position. Even if I have no, or little stats on them, I would be right in guessing they will push a wide range - and more often than not, they do. Well, oftentimes I win, but almost equally as often they hit, and now I am somewhat crippled myself.

As for the EV line - the method how it is calculated, and any logic behind it remains a mystery to me. For example: I had QQ, raised pre flop, villain called with 97o, hit a straight in the flop, we ended up going all in, and my EV line went down.

The EV line is AI-EV meaning the EV at the time you put money in.