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75$ ME MiniFTOPS, flop float to bluff turn

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Exitium
Joined: 22.11.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $8,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($255,197)
BB ($222,239)
UTG ($342,452)
UTG+1 ($203,369)
UTG+2 ($174,551)
MP1 ($125,775)
MP2 ($362,015)
CO ($722,741)
Hero ($526,985)

Dealt to Hero 5♥ 5♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $16,000, Hero calls $16,000, fold, BB calls $8,000

FLOP ($61,000) A♦ K♦ 8♣

BB checks, CO bets $18,400, Hero calls $18,400, BB folds

TURN ($97,800) A♦ K♦ 8♣ 3♦

CO bets $48,000, Hero raises to $116,000, CO raises to $687,341 (AI), Hero folds

CO wins $329,800

CO is new at the table, so no real info. This was ITM and both of us were around top 30 of 750 left.

My thought was that I was going to be able to take the pot on the turn if checked to me or in case of a diamond a raise hoping for a fold.

I thought he would fold most of the hands that doesn't beat a flush or maybe call/shove some of the higher value hands like top 2 or sets. Anyway I thought my 116k for a pot around 145k was a good spot at the time, after when I saw his shove I felt it was spewy and unnecessary.

Should I just give up when he cbets turn instead?


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TheRebuz
Joined: 12.10.2008

fold on flop AINEC imo

thats not a kind of flop that u want to float + u have BB still to act behind u


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Hi,

I would take one of the following lines:
1) 3-bet pre-flop- you might easily have the best hand and if you make it 38k or 42k then I think you have necessary fold equity most of his opening range+ you always have position, so you can take pot down postflop with c-bets or turn barrels
2) call- 55 can hit set+ sometimes you can make moves postflop. If you want you can bluffraise 42k to fold out most hands that is not Ax (not sure what he would do KQ or QQ/JJ that spot)

As played I would likely not float flop, since I think he would either bet again turn or at least c/c good enough times there should be no reason to think you´re ahead any more. So it is mostly fold, although sometimes raise should also be ok

As played fold turn. Players would not bluff that card almost never and I don´t think you have there necessary fold equity

best regards,


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gusma
Joined: 07.10.2007

Here I believe you forgot to consider one big factor, the vilain is betting into two OTF and he barrels again OTT. I wouldnt try to make a move here.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Call preflop, fold flop, fold turn as played.

Floating assumes pretty important thing: 1: we have OK equity to continue, and/or 2. our villain shuts down a bunch on the turn.

Almost every time I see someone float flop raise turn I feel that's a mistake. Either you should've just folded the flop, or some other line is still better (most likely float turn, bet river when checked to).


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noob3r
Joined: 20.11.2009

If Im about to play this hand I definitely prefer to 3bet it although the hand has zero playability postflop. We are going to have the possition and the lead on the flop.

I cant see how flatting would be a +EV play vs enormously light CO range (tho im still doing it from time to time which is a mistake imo. Not a big one, but still) unless we have some pretty good reads on that guy and are rdy to make some big plays. Not to mention with flatting here, we give pretty good odds to the blinds to come along or even consider a squeeze play, and our play postflop will be much, much hareder.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

You don't think we win the required 20bb or so on average every time we flop a set?? We have position in the hand! We don't even need to stack him.

Vs squeezes w/ some stacksizes we can backraiseshove. If deeper we can possibly setmine.


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