The big 22$ - A8s

Well this sucks, but I don't think that there's any other way this hand could have been played. So I think it's okay. Betting for value against draws is okay, and I dont really expect him to float oop with random Ax that beats us. Asxs would raise this flops most of the times.

Hi all,

I'd prefer to bet/fold the turn vs your line. I really fail to see a bet/call profitable here: we're just going to be behind too often.

I think a slightly smaller bet on the turn is better, if I am going to call push.
I don`t see a lot hands, which beet me. Sets and AsXs would raise flop most of the time. He could play A7s,A6s,A4s(sometimes off suited). But at the same time there aren`t a lot hands, which I beet. Maybe only backdoor flush draws.

His range for this is very narrow: both for value and for air, but really I don't many hands we're ahead of: I think his air range is narrower.

i dont like Cbet on flop

I do: I don't think people defend middling cards nearly as much as they defend high cards/broadways and ace highs.

Originally posted by chenny8888
I do: I don't think people defend middling cards nearly as much as they defend high cards/broadways and ace highs.

we r bloating a very drawy flop with solid draw and probly best hand most of the times/ we dont need protection so much vs T+ cards cos we r ahead and they have only ~ 26% chaces to improve so I prefer pot control line with hero hand in this spot

Actually yeah you make a very valid point. I'm typically betting my bad ace highs to try fold out better ones, but here that probably won't happen on the flop. Nice find.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Actually yeah you make a very valid point. I'm typically betting my bad ace highs to try fold out better ones, but here that probably won't happen on the flop. Nice find.

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I prefer cbetting, because:
- sometimes we fold better hands (better Ax, 22, 33), these hands don`t fold every time, but some villaind would fold them.
- we fold a hands with equity (over cards), if we play ch/ch flop and ch/ch turn we give to villain ~25/26% of the pot (560 chips). We can pick up these chips on the flop and be very happy. (If we bet sometimes the turn, we give less equity)
- when villain calls flop, he`s range is most of the time capped, because a lot villains would play fast sets on the flop. There isn`t a lot good hands to barrel, but this is still benefit.
- we don`t know the frequencies of villain vs missed cbet - we could very, very rarely call him down after checking flop, so he could bluff us sometimes.

If we have info that villain could check/raise with air these type of flops, check back flop could be better. But I don`t think the average population do it so often.