Hello everyone!
Thanks for the great feedback in previous weeks! It really keeps us going, keep it up!
No interesting hands today, but well post the hand we discussed.
C/f vs a good player is prob. the best line here. Vs a bad player, there is good sense in c/r-ing, since there are some better hands that fold, and you have 10 "dirty" (not clean) outs to improve.
Thanks for listening, and see you all next week.
Hello,
I didn't really get any interesting hands. Problem is often, that Im running bad in coachings, so I dont get that far in the tourneys Im playing. However, this is a link to a interesting hand I posted @ ps.de:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/de/forum/thread.php?threadid=407870
De question is really, whether someone at such a limit would play like that with a worse ace or a flushdraw. His betting line doesn't make any sense for someone who isn't the preflop aggressor, and I went broke, but what would be you line here?
AWESOME
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1490)
Button (t650)
SB (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t2350)
UTG+1 (t1530)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[:spade:], 3[:diamond:].
7 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: (t40) 4[:club:], A[:heart:], 7[:diamond:] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: (t40) 4[:diamond:] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1480 (All-In), SB calls t1460 (All-In).
River: (t2980) 6[:heart:] (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: t2980
Results in white below:
SB has 4h Ad (full house, fours full of aces).
Hero has 4s 3d (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: SB wins t2960. Hero wins t20.
I thought a small pot against a 60/25fish, thats the best way to get some value.
But I failed 
Call or Fold discuss plz.
38$
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
Hero (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[:spade:], Q[:club:].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t80, 3 folds, CO calls t80, Hero raises to t285, 1 fold, BB calls t265, UTG+1 raises to t1500, CO folds, Hero ???
if the players are somewhat reasonable its an easy fold imo - after the overcall you cant be ahead imo
qq with 1 raise and a call after a second raise early on in my mind shows that at best one of them has ak and at worse an over pocket pair kk or aa. Seeing as its still early on in the sng theres no need to risk your stack with at best a coinflip against ak
I think you see so many people playing with really weird crap here. Therefore I would call.
I see people go all-in in the first hand with Ax, suited crap and almost any pocket (maybe 55+).
Question is now at what limits do you stop seeing such plays and start folding QQ in this spot?
Won't stop until I am even!!!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[:spade:], K[:diamond:].
2 folds, Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, CO calls t60, 2 folds, BB calls t40.
Flop: (t190) 2[:club:], 7[:diamond:], 8[:club:] (3 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t380, CO folds, BB calls t260.
Turn: (t950) 6[:diamond:] (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t1060, BB calls t940 (All-In).
River: (t3070) 9[:spade:] (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t3070
Results in white below:
BB has Qc Tc (straight, ten high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins t3070.
And I lost 50$ as well, because I made a bet with on him having a set, cause I knew I wouldn't win the hand and it was the most likley reason.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[:spade:], K[:diamond:].
2 folds, Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, CO calls t60, 2 folds, BB calls t40.
Flop: (t190) 2[:club:], 7[:diamond:], 8[:club:] (3 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t380, CO folds, BB calls t260.
Turn: (t950) 6[:diamond:] (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t1060, BB calls t940 (All-In).
River: (t3070) 9[:spade:] (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t3070
Results in white below:
BB has Qc Tc (straight, ten high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins t3070.
And I lost 50$ as well, because I made a bet with Nick on him having a set, cause I knew I wouldn't win the hand and it was the most likley reason.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)
Hero (t4275)
Button (t1430)
SB (t7795)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3h, 5h.
1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: (t875) 8d, 7h, Th (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t575, SB folds.
Final Pot: t875
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (2 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)
Hero (t4200)
BB (t9300)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Kd, Kc.
Hero calls t300, BB checks.
Flop: (t1300) As, 2d, 4h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t700, BB raises to t8650, Hero folds.
Final Pot: t2700
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)
Button (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Kc, Ks.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t40, MP1 calls t40, 4 folds, Hero raises to t160, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t120.
Flop: (t380) Th, Ac, 2h (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t160, Hero calls t160.
Turn: (t700) 8d (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t220, Hero folds.
Final Pot: t700
Originally posted by 27os
i think a c/r for information on the flop ... and turn c/f
expensive information. i take a c/c flop check turn line with monsters (where monster definition differs from opponent to opponent) also, so even against thinking opponents, he isn't 2nd barreling me very light. so playing c/c check turn is fine imo, and we get a similar amount of information much cheaper.
I have come to the same conclusion as chenny c/r makes no sense as It's a very expensive way of finding out if your beat
b/f also makes no sense as your not getting better hands to fold and your only getting called by better hands
so by the process of elimination c/c seems the best play here on the flop
and c/f the turn as its unlikely he's betting hands that don't have you crushed
Originally posted by salflip
b/f also makes no sense as your not getting better hands to fold and your only getting called by better hands
that may be so but I do think b/f is better than the c/c because with c/c most will look weak too most players and bluff-induce with only 2nd pair doesn't seem as the best line too me. while with a c-bet all villians witout a A probably will let go of the hand and if the call or raise you're mostly beat.
Originally posted by sirilidion
Originally posted by salflip
b/f also makes no sense as your not getting better hands to fold and your only getting called by better hands
that may be so but I do think b/f is better than the c/c because with c/c most will look weak too most players and bluff-induce with only 2nd pair doesn't seem as the best line too me. while with a c-bet all villians witout a A probably will let go of the hand and if the call or raise you're mostly beat.
both lines are ok.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
Button (t1355)
SB (t1730)
BB (t1900)
UTG (t1275)
UTG+1 (t975)
Hero (t1395)
MP2 (t1420)
MP3 (t2615)
CO (t835)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[:spade:], A[:heart:].
UTG calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t350, 5 folds, BB raises to t1900, UTG folds, Hero calls t1045 (All-In).
Flop: (t3445) 8[:spade:], T[:diamond:], 8[:heart:] (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: (t3445) 8[:club:] (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t3445) 3[:club:] (2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t3445
What do you think?
I was forced to call.
But I wanted to fold.
