Never deposit - ZOOM poker (i'm back! ...maybe)

thank you sir ♦

had a very solid session, def made a profit and played rly well imo... with the notable exception of one questionable hand on the beginning:

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $10.29
SB: $5.30
BB: $7.70
UTG: $5.15
MP: $15.74
CO: $16.19

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♣ J♦

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, fold, BB calls $0.50, fold
co is weak reg and i don't want sb possible 4-tabling midstack reg to squeeze. calling is probably better though because i'm ip, sb prob doesn't actually squeeze that often and bb is a fish.
he called anyway though

Flop: ($1.45, 2 players) 7♠ K♠ 6♥
BB checks, Hero bets $0.90, BB requests TIME, BB raises to $2.30, Hero calls $1.40
drawy board, fish might have a lot of draws so cbet for value.
when he cr i think a bit and decide to go with the hand based on that assumption, i haz top pair, he can have a draw so i'll call and fold spades and ship blanks.
in hindsight i think flop is a clear fold though. this is like bottom of our range and fish will most often will play their draws passively.

Turn: ($6.05, 2 players) 8♦
BB bets $2.50, Hero raises to $7.39 and is all-in, BB calls $2.30 and is all-in
this is enough of a brick, don't think he has 54 too often and he probably doesn't c/r 87 or T9, might have 89 sometimes.
so just going with the hand, but the plan was bad to begin with.

River: ($15.65, 2 players) 6♠

BB shows Q♦ K♥ (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 74%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
Hero shows K♣ J♦ (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (Pre 26%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
BB wins $14.95

super obv he had better
his actual holding was a bit surprising though, but yeah my relative hand strength just sucked, should just fold flop.
AK is kinda close, probably drawing my line at AA.

now for better hands:

another fish 3betshove spot

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.33
SB: $5.05
BB: $6.11
UTG: $10.00
Hero (MP): $17.77
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A♠ Q♥

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, BTN raises to $5.33 and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero requests TIME, ...

how to value bet with a set

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $11.68
SB: $28.34
Hero (BB): $10.72
UTG: $10.00
MP: $8.41
CO: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5♣ 5♥

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) A♣ J♠ 5♠
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.65, 2 players) 6♦
Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

River: ($4.15, 2 players) 6♣
Hero bets $3.96, BTN calls $3.96

Hero shows 5♣ 5♥ (Full House, Fives full of Sixes) (Pre 52%, Flop 96%, Turn 100%)
BTN mucks Q♥ A♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 48%, Flop 4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $11.53

underrated line? i think he calls much wider against this than against a c/r.

when they're looking for a reason to fold just give it to them

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $15.23
SB: $10.05
Hero (BB): $17.14
UTG: $7.21
MP: $5.23
CO: $20.09

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J♦ 8♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.40, 2 players) 3♦ A♦ 7♠
SB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.80, 2 players) J♠
SB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

River: ($1.70, 2 players) Q♦
SB checks, Hero bets $1.62, fold
i know i have the best hand sometimes but he's nearly always c/f on this card so i rather try to steal the pot against Ax. if he c/c a non-flush or c/r then congrats to him

Hero wins $1.62

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.00
SB: $7.32
BB: $15.16
UTG: $22.88
MP: $10.00
Hero (CO): $10.92

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q♠ T♠

UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.35, 4 players) 4♥ 8♣ 7♦
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.35, 4 players) 9♣
UTG checks, MP bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, fold, UTG calls $0.60
def have superawesome odds as i can get at least a potsize bet from a T on a jack, def only getting one bet in on a 6 though (call or bet/fold)

River: ($3.15, 3 players) K♣
UTG SNAPchecks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.00, ...
don't think utg has a flush, and also don't think these guys are sophisticated enough to c/r an Ax flush. if they c/c a flush that's noteworthy

fold, fold

Hero wins $3.01

i'm too tired to write a proper update but well, day wasn't the best.

not going to say it was super terrible because it wasn't, if i lost it's been 1 bi at most.
but the regs were always hitting, couldn't hit anything to barrel the fish, lost SO many small pots.
ended up also not playing A+ too obv

i had a few good hands though and actually handed out a set over set so the day is mehhh but def acceptable, if i didn't had these few good hands it would be super terrible.

here's a really terribly played hand vs 2-tabling tight player

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $6.23
SB: $12.49
BB: $26.92
UTG: $16.39
MP: $21.98
Hero (CO): $17.17

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7♦ 8♦

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 5♦ 4♦ 3♦
UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG calls $1.00
i prob don't stack off this deep, but there is a lot of value to be had from overpairs with a ♦ imo

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players) 5♥
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.56, UTG calls $2.56
ok

River: ($8.87, 2 players) Q♥
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.66, UTG calls $6.66
this is way too big, also not the best river. wtf worse am i expecting to be called by?

Hero shows 7♦ 8♦ (Flush, Eight High) (Pre 36%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
UTG shows K♦ T♦ (Flush, King High) (Pre 64%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
UTG wins $21.19

congrats to me on retardedly value owning myself

cooler hand

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $10.63
SB: $11.12
BB: $9.08
UTG: $3.48
MP: $8.10
CO: $49.21

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J♠ J♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60, 3 players) 4♠ J♣ 9♠
SB bets $0.40, fold, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.00, 2 players) 2♥
SB checks, Hero bets $1.97, SB raises to $9.72 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.26 and is all-in

River: ($21.46, 2 players) 5♦

SB shows 4♥ 4♦ (Three of a Kind, Fours) (Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
Hero shows J♠ J♦ (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
Hero wins $20.49

bb was a fish.
i really like his line actually, too bad for him i had top set. not sure i would be able to lay down AA to the turn c/shove.

against some genius perceived passive fish

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $9.00
SB: $11.51
BB: $14.07
UTG: $18.67
Hero (MP): $12.63
CO: $11.34

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A♣ K♥

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN raises to $0.60, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35, 2 players) A♦ T♠ 6♣
Hero checks, BTN checks
i have the best hand... or do i? combowise he has KK-QQ rly rly often.

Turn: ($1.35, 2 players) 2♦
Hero bets $1.05, BTN calls $1.05

River: ($3.45, 2 players) Q♦
Hero bets $1.80, BTN calls $1.80

Hero shows A♣ K♥ (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 7%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows A♠ A♥ (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 93%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins $6.73

have more badly played hands to post, but enough, don't want to go on.
would rate my technical game a 6/10 or something, luck about 4/10, would be like 2/10 but i coolered someone and rivered a split in a 3bet pot so it's ok

cya

when you have AA and the fish limp/raises

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $11.41
SB: $11.66
BB: $11.81
UTG: $10.42
Hero (MP): $31.51
CO: $30.92

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A♦ A♣

UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, fold, fold, SB calls $0.50, fold, UTG raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, UTG raises to $10.42 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.42

Flop: ($21.39, 2 players) Q♣ 9♥ 4♥

Turn: ($21.39, 2 players) 6♣

River: ($21.39, 2 players) 2♠

UTG shows K♠ K♥ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 19%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows A♦ A♣ (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 81%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins $20.43

for those who don't happen to have a lot of experience with micros, when a fish limp/raises it's kings plus 90%+ of the time.
honestly believe it's not a mistake to fold queens vs his line

pt4 zoom isn't working properly once again.
i'd mostly still play anyway but today just not really feeling like it, whatever, going to do something else with my sunday.

[edit: OMGOMGOMG i already achieved the $1000 target! going to post some thoughts on nl10 later, in the while here's the graph. ]

gratz mate

On to nl25 soon?

Originally posted by staktas
gratz mate

On to nl25 soon?

^^this. with $1000 you have more then enough to give it a shot!

Back to NL50 imo

yeah nl25 for sure
nl50 soon?

i'd write something about nl10 but my "first thoughts" post from one week ago pretty much has covered it already.

basically - people are TIGHT, so raise often and don't call that often.
i went on to check my assumptions with people i have 75+ hands on (not that many, mind you about 90) and the average vpip/pfr/3bet for that is about 18/15/6.
so there you go.

on postflop tendencies - when people check the flop stabbing with any two should generally be profitable.
floating (calling the flop) super wide doesn't work too well, had a slight loss floating with air and weak hands. i'd guess that's because they are tight -> ranges are strong -> you will be barreled often enough not to show a profit.

raises are always the nuts obv.
big $$$$ with set mining too

if someone's interested i can share my nl10 stats, not going to just post them here i guess, add me on community.

nothing special to report on nl25

lost 4 bucks. played like a retard though, should have been much worse.
pokertracker 4 hud issue still going and i blame that for tilting me very much

session report: (not going to post the hands because lazy and quite embarassed)
misplaced stats made me think that a passive fish was an aggrofish (-15bb)

then i went off to spew on a river call against a reg where there was busted fd but i was super obv not good because everything else on his range improved (-70bb)

made a quite bad flop c/c with nutgs+overs but the other guy had a set so i got paid (+70bb).

tried to drag on a bit but deep down i knew better so i just managed to stop eventually.
i'd rate my luck about 6/10, technical play 2.5/10

i'll stay at nl10 until pokertracker fixes their stuff (maybe for real eventually?), can't handle bad hud tilt induce + slight pressure from moving up again even though i've played over 100k hands at this limit already.

on good news:
people still seem to fold their blinds too much, also still folding too much vs small blind opens. FUN

Oh man you make your posts soo much fun! ♦

Ppl fold their blinds often? I never fold

Originally posted by Tomaloc

HAHA! i love this gif!

This is how i feel when the blinds fold to my button min-raise ♦

Yeah....
This is how it feels when all my BUT min raises get played back at right now.

thanks for your input guys, feels a bit lonely when no one else posts anything

jules that one is amazing ♦
i guess nl50 is the turning point where people stop being weird nits? that was it for me "back then" (~8 months ago) too

help

zomg cant hit anything

actually 2 bi down only, and thankfully it was nl10 ♦

the pokertracker hud issue is fixed (for now) but i'd like a good session before going up again, for confidence purposes.

levelz

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.63
SB: $11.26
Hero (BB): $16.58
UTG: $11.17
MP: $13.12
CO: $15.13

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T♦ T♣

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 9♣ 5♣ 8♥
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) T♠
Hero checks, CO bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

River: ($5.35, 2 players) 2♠
Hero checks, CO requests TIME, CO bets $1.25, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $7.45, CO requests TIME, CO calls $6.20

Hero shows T♦ T♣ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 17%, Flop 10%, Turn 77%)
CO mucks J♣ J♦ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 83%, Flop 90%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $19.34

Your straight and flush line is still better than mine

I can help you with sets though!

Originally posted by Tomaloc
levelz

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.63
SB: $11.26
Hero (BB): $16.58
UTG: $11.17
MP: $13.12
CO: $15.13

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T♦ T♣

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 9♣ 5♣ 8♥
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) T♠
Hero checks, CO bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

River: ($5.35, 2 players) 2♠
Hero checks, CO requests TIME, CO bets $1.25, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $7.45, CO requests TIME, CO calls $6.20

Hero shows T♦ T♣ (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 17%, Flop 10%, Turn 77%)
CO mucks J♣ J♦ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 83%, Flop 90%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $19.34

heyho! how come you didn't raise turn in this hand?

DrDunne: I think because then he would isolate himself vs straights?

On topic: awesome to read blog ♦
I'm on zoom NL4 now, but how do you identify fishes and wether or not they're passive?

yeah, raise turn is def worth consideration. he continues sets+ but i have top set
his sizing obv says that he has a strong hand (overpairs+), that said i am only beat by 76s and Q:c J:c.
as obv nuts line as it is, i think all in all raise turn is better, he folds overpairs, and maybe he just calls down 55 for 150bb, but i beat 99/88 and that's alright, should compensate for when he has 76s.

i wasn't afraid of a flush because of his sizings, he pretty much almost never has a fd.
if river completes draws it's still a bit awkward though, i probably lead/fold ~40% pot and he probably still calls worse (at least sets)

on zoom identifying people: yeah, it's important to read "unknowns".
i like to read on number of tables:

- someone playing 3-4 tables is likely to be a reg
- someone playing 1 table is likely to be a fish
- someone without a full stack is likely to be a fish (if he's playing 4 tables it's prob a mss reg though)
- someone playing 1 table AND without a full stack is super almost definitely a fish

2 tables is whatever, see how their stats develop. most likely won't be a huge fish though.

otherwise i also go with avatar/nickname/country stereotyped impressions, in that order.

Okay, thanks. Is there a way to include this in your HUD or do you check the client lobby?

ah interesting you pointed out his sizing = rarely a FD. its something i miss a lot. but also another reason to raise turn is because even if he doesn't have a FD another will be likely to shut him down and we miss value i think