CO vs BTN 3betor

Hi!

My thoughts:

Flop: At least a call is clear because the pot is 3-bet (giving decent odds), and your hand has backdoor potential. The question is if you should x/r as a bluff. The judges will probably have good answers. He is not going to fold very many better hands (some KQ and KJ), pp should go nowhere as far as I can see. The most clear "pro" with the x/r bluff is that you stop him from bluffing you out. The rest of the x/r features are "cons", since a failed bluff is expensive, and you have some showdown value. You might get a free card on the turn if you just call.

Turn as played on flop: Now you are drawing to your outs. Fold!

It is true that he will bluff you out plenty of times, but he is sort of entitled to do that. He has position and initiative, and you can't call down every hand of this sort to police him.

River: This bluff is bad. You can't represent anything except 222, it looks just like desperation. He is folding no more than at a maximum, the KJ and KJ. He is probably giving up most of his worst hands on the river anyway.

If you want to bluff (later than the flop), make an x/r on turn. That would look much like a good A (or a flush draw, which is good), since you could fire again on river on any heart or diamond.

I'd personally most often just fold on the turn, lick my wounds, and get on with the next hand.

/Johan =

Hi Yohan

Yeah i might c/r the flop or c/r the turn as well ,i dont agree i only represent 222 on the river, it could be a 8x or even an Ax or full, set to induce a raise from Ax and 3bet that vs a very aggro player on this nit tables maybe be the best way to maximize since they might dont raise turn with AQ after a caped flop.

I agree it was a bad bluff, wanted to discuss c/c lead turn line.

call flop check fold turn.

donking wouldn't make him fold much as donking in this spot tells him that you have an 8 or a bluff. so with a higher pair than an 8 he can just call you down. donking a fd here is possible aswell if we look at it from his side. so his K high should be good for one street more. the 2 is a blank so he would be able to call with K high here too (I would)
I guess you were just lucky he either had a fd or some Q - K high he was too afraid showing down with.
the only way you ever could have Ax would be if you were a total donk with sick weird stats 70+/30+/20+

sets shouldn't donk either. set of 8 should c/r turn. imo

It's a Cutoff against Button -Situation with wide ranges so i don't mind peeling once with backdoor-draws and 2 Ax on the board makes it less likely that BU has got Ax. So peeling once for ~1:10 is ok but donking out on the turn is not a good play.

Possible that you'd play this line with Ax type of hands although i'd recommend checkraising the flop immidiately so c/c flop and donk turn is almost always a weak line and if we consider that you don't represent much, you cannot expect him to be folding any pair, neither Ax. Your Foldequity is almost doesn't exist. He will call down all of his pairs. The only hand he might be folding is KJ KQ but you block some Kx Outs.

Turn is just a check/fold and once he called the Turn, which hands he's going to fold the river with? i can't actually imagine one hand except Kx QJ with a flushdraw

YAY i said almost the same as tsunami ♦:D:D that makes me feel all pro and stuff haha ♦