common river spot... Is it a bluff or thin value?

I don't see how you can be good here.

There are so many completed draws here that I am not sure it's a good spot to bluff anything less than full pot here. This looks more like a value bet of some kind with a weak flush

Don't you think we could check/raise that flop? We are blocking the top pair, the flop is too dry and we still have 8 clear outs for the nuts... Maybe with a BDFD it would be easier to check/raise...

I would prefer a turn donk to a flop checkraise.

Don´t you think the fact that villain didn´t barrel the turn removes a lot of flush combos otr?
I think that betsize tell against an unknown is decent, but i wouldn´t rely on it that much. Also we only need to be good around 28% (?) of the time.

What about c/r river?

Originally posted by JonikoP
What about c/r river?

We have bluffcatching value in our hand... No need for c/r I think...

When folding>calling it doesn´t matter if we have sd value at all.

Originally posted by Aronyau
Don´t you think the fact that villain didn´t barrel the turn removes a lot of flush combos otr?
I think that betsize tell against an unknown is decent, but i wouldn´t rely on it that much. Also we only need to be good around 28% (?) of the time.

Turn completes many draws. He may not barrel bare turned fds if there is a danger of getting ch raised off his equity.