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VasiliZaitsev
Joined: 25.05.2008

Hi pleno,
really nice thread, read like half of it and i'm planning to read the rest. thanks for doing it

i've got this hand for you:

SB: $50.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2.6, Hands: 99731
BB: $77.76 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 5, AF: 1.8, Hands: 7251
UTG: $46.09 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 10, 3B: 8, AF: 2.7, Hands: 58
CO: $54.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 4.2, Hands: 66880
Hero (BTN): $66.24 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.1, Hands: 62864

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with 5 :club: 4 :club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($8.50) 7 :club: T :diamond: 6 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets $5.50, Hero ?

villain 3bets 11% agains button and has a low fold to 4bet
his cbet in 3b pots is 97%

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i raised the flop and he shipped TJs, i obv called

villain 3bets 11% agains button and has a low fold to 4bet
his cbet in 3b pots is 97%

how should we proceed?
is this too wide to defend to 3bets against a 10% 3bet ?

thanks again man!


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hello again!

thx for previous answer. can you give me some comment on my next issue?

my plan in my poker skill development now is to try to figure out regs. i always had a strong fundamentals of the game, and with fish hunting i was doing ok. but if i want to get better and at least brake even with good regs i need more than that. i guess i need to learn how to play against individual reg. (MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE) And for that i need to figure out their tendencies...how do they like to play certain spots, witch of them tends to exploit me, and witch just play their standard game. how good this regs really are? how many of them are making notes of my play, and are adjusting to me?

ive always treated every reg more or less the same (except pree flop...the differences are obvious there - specially with help of HUD), but post flop my play was more or less the same against all regs.

im playing here (speed nl100) from start of this year now, and for the last 1-2 month ive really tried to pay attention to what everyone was doing and trying to make notes that makes sense. there are about 20-30 regs here that i constantly play against, and i have at least some notes on most of them, but still it seems so hard to figure out witch regs are really good, witch are bad, witch ones are thinking regs, and witch are more autopiloting, witch tends to exploit me, and witch treats me same as everyone else, and so on...i also must say that trying to think about all this things while also trying to be a bit looser and a bit more aggressive is pretty exhausting, frustrating, and i tend to spew more cause of that, so its also more tilty. so i sometimes think is this really worth it? isnt it better to just play abc and try not to make to big mistakes?

i guess you (and all the better players) know your opponents really well (at least the ones you play much against). so, can you give any general advice/tips/directions on how to get to know your opponents better(and adjust to that accordingly)? (besides play play play, always think about what are they doing, and making notes)

anyway...this is the hand i just played

speed nl100 6max, effective stack: 100bb

pree flop:
MP opens 3, i call from SB with T :diamond:T :spade:

Flop ($7.00): 6 :spade:5 :diamond:8 :heart:
i check, he bets 5, i raise to 12, he calls

Turn ($31,00): 6 :spade:5 :diamond:8 :heart: 6 :diamond:
i check, he bets 21, i call

River ($73,00): 6 :spade:5 :diamond:8 :heart: 6 :diamond:4 :club:
i check, he checks

he shows J :heart:Q :heart:

villain is a 25/20/3 reg with 50% fold to cbet raise
flop is not standard (i usually donk in this spot), but this time i check to get his cbet, and to see how he responds to x/r on dry boards.

so, what have i learned from this?

-is it ok to assume, that this villain doesnt give much credit to my x/r on dry boards, so in future i can x/r more flops for value against him?

-or maybe i cant assume nothing because my x/r was to small and he just called cause i gave him a good price.

-you think this hand was played ok?

-what kind of a note would you make based on his play, or you think this spot isnt worth making any note? (i made note: "against flop x/r: on dry boards defends with overcards, and bluff turn when i x")

tnx, and i hope your brains dont hurt while reading this :f_biggrin:


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Ok guys, back from holiday with that present I promised ;)

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/content/May:-pleno1-s-6-max-Academy- [Gold+]_71346/


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008

Superb. Your eye never leaves the ball does it pleno1! _cool:


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sweeet


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Thanks guys, going to be a huge month, can't wait for us to smash it!


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doctorkgb
Joined: 01.04.2009

How cool is that!


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

More awesomeness ITT!


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trickybob
Joined: 28.07.2010

Happy days! :f_thumbsup:


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

So excited for this! Happening just as I'm thinking of moving up to NL25, can't wait!


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alxpoker91
Joined: 03.12.2011

hi,

i am a SNG 9 man player but this format started to die and i want to learn a new type and i thought about 6 max cash game.i didn't learn cash at all so i am totally new to this.

can you give me some advices about how to get started?like should i use a HUD what to read and what videos to watch just make an idea of the game?or any other advice you think is useful.

thank you


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duckspace
Joined: 12.11.2010

Hi pleno1:

Can I ask you about what numbers of Flop Reraise we can define it as aggresive?


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Hi,

Simple question:
VPIP/PFR/Hands = 25/20/1000

Can we estimate how much he flatting raise* preflop? I think it should be 25-20 = 5. But I feel 5% is too low.

*I dont know the exact definition, but by "flatting raise" I mean calling preflop after someone raise (2bet) preflop.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by patszerdonk
Hi,

Simple question:
VPIP/PFR/Hands = 25/20/1000

Can we estimate how much he flatting raise* preflop? I think it should be 25-20 = 5. But I feel 5% is too low.

*I dont know the exact definition, but by "flatting raise" I mean calling preflop after someone raise (2bet) preflop.

I've wondered this too.
What is he flatting? If he is 25/20, then he must be folding or 3Betting some of his pocket pairs. That is about all I flat. If he is flat calling from the blinds with some broadways, then he is folding or 3Betting even larger potions of his pocket pairs.


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Couple of questions, (Note, I play nl5 speed on ipoker)
- How do I adjust to people with 20-30 bb's who just 3bet shove a ton?
- How do I ajdust to people who either 3bet real small (minraise to 2,5x) or really big (5x or more)?
- How do I play postflop with my 3bet bluffs when I get called. Say I squeeze A8s oop and I flop middle pair or something?
- What are generally good spots to double barrel?


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Originally posted by Riverdiver
Couple of questions, (Note, I play nl5 speed on ipoker)
- How do I adjust to people with 20-30 bb's who just 3bet shove a ton?
- How do I ajdust to people who either 3bet real small (minraise to 2,5x) or really big (5x or more)?
- How do I play postflop with my 3bet bluffs when I get called. Say I squeeze A8s oop and I flop middle pair or something?
- What are generally good spots to double barrel?

Hey riverdiver!

Open less hands.

It depends do they 3b like 20% and real small. Does he 3b with blockers or do he 3b with 74s? We need to construct a range that beats his range. Like he 3b all kx blockers all Ax blockers and all qx blockers + premiums. I would defend in position with almost all broadway type of hands.

We can't flat as much in position if he is 5x preflop unless we are deep.

And again it depens on his 3b tendencies.

Also this depends on the villian do he fold alot postflop? Do he fold alot preflop etc etc.

Generally good spots to barrel is when you pick up added EQ.

Everyone of your question is extremly player dependent.


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Hi Pleno, I like your thread! I decided to read it all as I'm sure it will help me with my game. I just had to post something even if it feels a little bit hasty!

I played two hands deep yesterday where I feel I was scared or nervous while deep. Do you think the key to becoming good and comfortable in these spots is just going to be time and experience or is there any advice that you might give that may help me?

Hopefully this may illustrate my problem:

Hand 1

Spoiler

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $41.02
SB: $8.25
BB: $24.50
UTG: $10.10
Hero (CO): $54.90

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is CO with K :heart: A :heart:
UTG calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, BB calls $0.56, UTG calls $0.56

Flop: ($2.24) 5 :heart: 8 :diamond: J :heart: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.52, BB raises to $4.96, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.44

Turn: ($12.16) 6 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $8.70, Hero folds

My initial thought here on flop was "calling flop makes turn feel awkward for me, I should 3bet"

When I notice that we are just a little bit deep however, I seem to just get terrified and call instead with the thought I summarise as "He might have a set!!!"

Hand 2:
SB InstaJammed flop, my first thought is "absolute bullshit, he'd never play his value hands like that, this is just retarded spew". He seems to be slightly tilted too.
However, then the deep factor kicked in and I forced myself to rethink. I couldn't come to a decision, ran out of time and folded.

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Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $12.24
SB: $45.18
Hero (BB): $33.16
UTG: $14.03
MP: $26.97
CO: $45.80

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is BB with Q :club: Q :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.48, 1 fold, CO calls $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $3.52, UTG calls $3.04, 2 folds, SB calls $3.04

Flop: ($11.52) 6 :heart: 5 :club: 7 :club: (3 players)
SB bets $41.66, Hero folds, UTG calls $10.51 all in

Turn: ($32.54) 2 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($32.54) 2 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $32.54
SB shows 3 :heart: 6 :spade:
UTG shows 4 :diamond: 5 :diamond:
SB wins $31.08
(Rake: $1.46)

Sorry if I repeated a question that has already come up, I'm reading through the thread but am only up to page 32 :f_biggrin:

edit: I just realised I don't seem to know what hands to get in preflop 200 or 300 BB deep either guess people just don't put me in tough spots at these micro stakes :f_love:


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Originally posted by DaPhunk
Hi Pleno, I like your thread! I decided to read it all as I'm sure it will help me with my game. I just had to post something even if it feels a little bit hasty!

I played two hands deep yesterday where I feel I was scared or nervous while deep. Do you think the key to becoming good and comfortable in these spots is just going to be time and experience or is there any advice that you might give that may help me?

Hopefully this may illustrate my problem:

Hand 1

Spoiler

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $41.02
SB: $8.25
BB: $24.50

UTG: $10.10
Hero (CO): $54.90

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is CO with K :heart: A :heart:
UTG calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, BB calls $0.56, UTG calls $0.56

Flop: ($2.24) 5 :heart: 8 :diamond: J :heart: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.52, BB raises to $4.96, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.44

Turn: ($12.16) 6 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $8.70, Hero folds

My initial thought here on flop was "calling flop makes turn feel awkward for me, I should 3bet"

When I notice that we are just a little bit deep however, I seem to just get terrified and call instead with the thought I summarise as "He might have a set!!!"

Hand 2:
SB InstaJammed flop, my first thought is "absolute bullshit, he'd never play his value hands like that, this is just retarded spew". He seems to be slightly tilted too.
However, then the deep factor kicked in and I forced myself to rethink. I couldn't come to a decision, ran out of time and folded.

Spoiler

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $12.24
SB: $45.18
Hero (BB): $33.16
UTG: $14.03
MP: $26.97
CO: $45.80

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is BB with Q :club: Q :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.48, 1 fold, CO calls $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $3.52, UTG calls $3.04, 2 folds, SB calls $3.04

Flop: ($11.52) 6 :heart: 5 :club: 7 :club: (3 players)
SB bets $41.66, Hero folds, UTG calls $10.51 all in

Turn: ($32.54) 2 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($32.54) 2 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $32.54
SB shows 3 :heart: 6 :spade:
UTG shows 4 :diamond: 5 :diamond:
SB wins $31.08
(Rake: $1.46)

Sorry if I repeated a question that has already come up, I'm reading through the thread but am only up to page 32 :f_biggrin:

edit: I just realised I don't seem to know what hands to get in preflop 200 or 300 BB deep either guess people just don't put me in tough spots at these micro stakes :f_love:

I think you played both hands correctly.


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Originally posted by DaPhunk
Hi Pleno, I like your thread! I decided to read it all as I'm sure it will help me with my game. I just had to post something even if it feels a little bit hasty!

I played two hands deep yesterday where I feel I was scared or nervous while deep. Do you think the key to becoming good and comfortable in these spots is just going to be time and experience or is there any advice that you might give that may help me?

Hopefully this may illustrate my problem:

Hand 1

Spoiler

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $41.02
SB: $8.25
BB: $24.50
UTG: $10.10
Hero (CO): $54.90

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is CO with K :heart: A :heart:
UTG calls $0.16, Hero raises to $0.72, 2 folds, BB calls $0.56, UTG calls $0.56

Flop: ($2.24) 5 :heart: 8 :diamond: J :heart: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.52, BB raises to $4.96, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.44

Turn: ($12.16) 6 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $8.70, Hero folds

My initial thought here on flop was "calling flop makes turn feel awkward for me, I should 3bet"

When I notice that we are just a little bit deep however, I seem to just get terrified and call instead with the thought I summarise as "He might have a set!!!"

Hand 2:
SB InstaJammed flop, my first thought is "absolute bullshit, he'd never play his value hands like that, this is just retarded spew". He seems to be slightly tilted too.
However, then the deep factor kicked in and I forced myself to rethink. I couldn't come to a decision, ran out of time and folded.

Spoiler

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $12.24
SB: $45.18
Hero (BB): $33.16
UTG: $14.03
MP: $26.97
CO: $45.80

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is BB with Q :club: Q :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.48, 1 fold, CO calls $0.48, BTN calls $0.48, SB calls $0.40, Hero raises to $3.52, UTG calls $3.04, 2 folds, SB calls $3.04

Flop: ($11.52) 6 :heart: 5 :club: 7 :club: (3 players)
SB bets $41.66, Hero folds, UTG calls $10.51 all in

Turn: ($32.54) 2 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($32.54) 2 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $32.54
SB shows 3 :heart: 6 :spade:
UTG shows 4 :diamond: 5 :diamond:
SB wins $31.08
(Rake: $1.46)

Sorry if I repeated a question that has already come up, I'm reading through the thread but am only up to page 32 :f_biggrin:

edit: I just realised I don't seem to know what hands to get in preflop 200 or 300 BB deep either guess people just don't put me in tough spots at these micro stakes :f_love:

Hey man!

I think you should have jammed over him with overs + nut fd hu, that's like extremly fucking strong hu. You want to have max EQ when you get a draw in and villian have invested alot of chips already. The only hand you are afraid of is sets and that is pretty darn unlikely in hu! If he have a two pair you got yourself a flip.

Hand one, well played sir!


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Nice to see other people interested in my hands :) I have a suspicion that at NL10 I would have Jammed the AK hand which makes me think "why NL10 and not NL16? Am i money scared?"

Watched that first NL10 zoom video again and for some reason I love how you made a note on the villain who insta4bet to a large size. Its just so clear and writing "Insta4bet large size with top of range (QQ)" seems like it would be so crystal clear and helpful as opposed to my current shorthand system where the reads get lost in notes like: "OR/INSTA3.5x4bet COvsBU w/QQ"

So thankyou Pleno1 for a reminder style "aha" moment to help me improve my note-taking :f_love:


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