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30$ turbo Q3s

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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010
Oldschool Grinder

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,155)
($1,845)

Dealt to Hero 3♥ Q♥

raises to $80, Hero calls $40

FLOP ($160) 3♠ K♥ 5♥

Hero checks, bets $80, Hero raises to $240, calls $160

TURN ($640) 3♠ K♥ 5♥ Q♠

Hero checks, bets $260, Hero calls $260

RIVER ($1,160) 3♠ K♥ 5♥ Q♠ 5♠

Hero checks, checks

Hero shows 3♥ Q♥
(Pre 32%, Flop 48.9%, Turn 95.5%)

shows 8♥ 8♦
(Pre 68%, Flop 51.1%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $1,160

Villain is some sort of a reg, raises 65% of the BTN's, his cbet is quite low though-only 52%. I noticed he c/b his Ax, Kx, mid pairs.

So his range here is somewhat polarized, I guess. Given all that, is c/r-stack off still the best option.

What do you think of his bet/call on the flop with the 88? I guess more often he puts me on straight/flush draws and is ready to call turn once again if one of those misses.

1.How would u play 88 in his shoes?
2.Would u c/r any Kx that we call pre now given he flats with 88?


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zilltine
Joined: 20.03.2010
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1. I would 3bet shove flop vs reg, fold vs unknown.
2. Yes, you should ch/r K9+
3. Yes, i think barreling is much better option OTT
4. Yes, ch/r stack-off with this hand is best option in most cases.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
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Hi all,

Originally posted by zilltine
1. I would 3bet shove flop vs reg, fold vs unknown.
2. Yes, you should ch/r K9+
3. Yes, i think barreling is much better option OTT
4. Yes, ch/r stack-off with this hand is best option in most cases.

2-4, I'd be tighter with something like KT+ c/r. Keep in mind there's still a lot of value to bluffcatching with our Kx vs his barrels.

I'm fine with his 88 play, I would not shove.


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yoshiwa
Joined: 23.02.2009
Elite Grinder

I personally wouldn't defend this hand pre , possibly my exp from 100bb deep play speaking here , but the playability of Q3s just sucks.

Ofc when you get shallower and shallower raw equity matters more than playability so it might be a defend , but i personally wouldnt :)

I think he played his 88 near perfect in this spot :)
I wonder if he could ever fold if we decide to chr the T. On the flop he cant i guess because our range contains so many dh hands.

if we chc F and chr T the remaining stack is still worth something for him to play with , and we rep superstrong.
Since we won't ever fold a K by chr F , I wonder if chc F chr turn has an even higher EV then chr F. Just some creative thinking here , so please feel free to discuss


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zilltine
Joined: 20.03.2010
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Problem with flatting 88 vs ch/r is that regs usually ch/r hands like JT, QT, QJ, Q9 with BD FD as a bluff and these hands has 25-30% equity vs 88. Other problem is that there is some 5x we might be losing value from which stacks off otf.

I doubt anyone would ever fold Kx on this board


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
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I agree it's tough to play turns and rivers with 88 when you flat a c/r, however from an overall strategic point of view: we're not always going to have as vulnerable a hand as 88 here. I also don't expect 5x to c/r/call all-in without much history.


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