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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Time for bumping up!!
I just started deep stack HUSnGs and boy, are those soft... _biggrin:
Heres some hands for discussion and sorry if you dont like long posts. Oh, and keep in mind those are not my real stats heads up, Im more of a 85 SB open, 43 BB VP or so

:spade: Hand 1 :spade:

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Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 2 players - View hand 2269890DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
BB: t2561 1 BBs - VPIP: 61, PFR: 35, 3B: 26, AF: 5,3, Hands: 136
Hero (BTN/SB): t3439 1 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3,7, Hands: 11169
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BTN/SB with A :club: A :spade:
Hero raises to t75, BB raises to t150, Hero raises to t395, BB calls t245
Flop: (t790) 6 :diamond: 2 :spade: A :diamond: (2 players)BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t790) 3 :heart: (2 players)BB bets t450, Hero raises to t3019, BB folds

I have been 4betting some and was missing on some CBets, so I think check behind here is quite nice, expecting from him to bluff alot twice. My plan was to call his turn bet if I fill up and push if I dont.

:spade: Hand 2 :spade:

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Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 2 players - View hand 2269893DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): t2100 1 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3,7, Hands: 11169
BTN/SB: t3900 1 BBs - VPIP: 51, PFR: 44, 3B: 32, AF: 1,3, Hands: 98
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with 9 :heart: 9 :spade: BTN/SB raises to t40, Hero raises to t140, BTN/SB calls t100
Flop: (t280) 3 :heart: J :heart: 8 :club: (2 players)Hero bets t190, BTN/SB calls t190
Turn: (t660) 3 :spade: (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB checks
River: (t660) 4 :spade: (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t3550, Hero calls t1770 all in

Nines were the bottom of my 3betting value range, not sure if thats the best range?? Expected to bet alot of his floats on the turn and when he checked behind, the river was a pretty easy check-snap call, where Im beat basically only from full of 8s and 4s, I dont expect to check behind a naked 3 on the turn.

:spade: Hand 3 :spade:

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Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 2 players - View hand 2269901DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): t2520 1 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3,7, Hands: 11169
BTN/SB: t3480 1 BBs - VPIP: 100, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 0,8, Hands: 3
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BB with 9 :heart: 9 :spade:BTN/SB calls t0, Hero raises to t60, BTN/SB calls t60
Flop: (t120) 6 :club: 2 :heart: 5 :spade: (2 players)Hero bets t100, BTN/SB calls t100
Turn: (t320) 8 :heart: (2 players)Hero bets t260, BTN/SB raises to t1140, Hero raises to t2340, BTN/SB calls t1200
River: (t5000) 3 :diamond: (2 players)

In this particular situation I was right, he had 84, but Im not sure vs uknown if I am ahead enough of the times, so is folding the best option?

:spade: Hand 4 :spade:

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Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t/t Blinds - 2 players - View hand 2269910DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter
Hero (BTN/SB): t2775 1 BBs - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3,7, Hands: 11169
BB: t3225 1 BBs - VPIP: 56, PFR: 12, 3B: 12, AF: 1,9, Hands: 217
Pre Flop: (t0) Hero is BTN/SB with K :spade: Q :spade: Hero raises to t60, BB calls t60
Flop: (t120) A :diamond: 8 :club: 7 :diamond: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB calls t80
Turn: (t280) K :club: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB calls t200
River: (t680) 5 :spade: (2 players)BB checks, Hero checks

Should I make an inducing value bet and call a possible raise on the river? Should I bet more on the turn? Checking behind that flop is obviously a leak, cause we get calls from worse hands alot, am I right?


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I play HUSnG's (reg speeds), at the micro stakes. I'm still learning but, I'm starting to learn how to think more along the lines of ranges, instead of just having opening and folding ranges for either IP or OOP (preflop). I don't know why - it's either because the terminology is ambiguous from one group to the next, or I just have never completely understood the correct sub range names and how to correctly put each one with its proper preflop position.

Below is a list that I have in mind to start doing research on, but I need some advice on the correctness of it and whether or not I should add some sub ranges to it or subtract some sub ranges from it. So basically my question is, "As a beginner to HUSnG's but not 6max poker, what sub ranges (with their correct name) should I have in my HU playing range from either the SB and the BB ???":

IP SUB RANGES FOR PREFLOP HEADS UP (depending upon opponent, playing %70-%90) ?:
Folding range (fold);
Limping range (complete my SB);
Flatting range (call the BB's raise after limping);
Raising range (raise my button);
Check-raising range (check then raise if villain bets);
3bet flatting range (call the BB's re-raise);
4betting (not All-In) range (re re-raise the BB but not All-In);
4betting (All-In) range (re re-raise the BB to All-In);
Jamming range (go All-In immediately)...

OOP SUB RANGES FOR PREFLOP HEADS UP (depending upon opponent, playing %30-%50) ?:
Folding range (fold);
Checking range (might be called "Flatting" - idk) (check my BB and see a flop);
Raising range (raise the SB);
Raise calling range (call the SB's raise);
3betting (not All-In) range (re-raise the SB's raise but not All-In);
3betting (All-In) range (re-raise the SB's raise to All-In);
4bet (not All-In) calling range (call the SB's re-reraise if not All-In);
4bet (All-In) calling range (call the SB's re re-raise even if All-In);
5betting (not All-In) range (re re re-raise the SB but not All-In);
5betting (All-In) range (re re re-raise the SB to All-In);
6bet shoving range (get all the chips in by calling or betting an All-In);
Jamming range (go All-In immediately)...

Do the two lists above appear correct as far as matching each sub range with its appropriate position and also having the correct name??? If not, what changes should I make and what is an essential list of ranges for me to have (for both the small and Big blind), when first starting out in HU??? I'm asking this to get rid of any misconceptions that I have and also to communicate better in forums and such.

For what it's worth: For HUSnG's, I've read a few similar BRM techniques that are similar to: Have at least 15 buyins for the next level if you want to take a shot; and move back down a level when you go below 12 buyins for the lower level. Of course, I think this sort of BRM strategy is used by good, consistent players with the discipline to move down when needed and avoid a lot of tilt because of variance. They also study the HU game and devote probably around 1/5 of their "grinding" (on the clock working) time to reviewing their hand histories and improving their game. Take that with a few grains of salt, though, because I've also seen it suggested to have 100 or 200 buyins, so I don't know what the norm is. I guess it depends on one's ability to deal with variance, replenish a bank roll when going broke, handle stress, etc, etc.


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These two lists are almost like the ones in the previous post. I wonder about the correctness of these also, though. They seem to make sense to me at first, but then little inconsistencies about them will make me doubt if I am using the correct terminology. For example, a few days ago, I was almost certain that only the BB could possibly 3bet in a HU match, but I was either mistaken before I made the two lists, or I've used the wrong term, "3betting range" for the SB, to mean some other range that it was'nt intended for. So, can anyone help me out on this noob question? In other words, If I use the 16 range names that I've listed below to describe my preflop ranges when I'm talking about HU poker strategy, will I be using the correct terms and their correct meanings? The reason I'm asking all of this is because I'm going to start doing a Google search on each type of HU preflop range that's listed so I can learn more about each one and which ones I should use from either IP or OOP, being a relative beginner with about 600 matches under my belt. I thought it would be a simple thing to look up the answers online, but after a week of Googling, I haven't found much of any use. I'm probably only about %2 more sure now than when I first started. Anyway, have a look:

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Small Blind preflop playing ranges (HU):

1) ? Open-limping range: When the SB places the mandatory small blind bet, the BB then places the mandatory Big blind bet, then the SB calls the Big blind bet, therefore limping into the pot.

2) ? Raise calling range: When the SB open-limps into the pot, the BB responds with a raise, and then the SB calls the BB's raise. I think this might also be considered a "flatting range", but I'm not sure?

3) ? 3betting range: When the SB open-limps into the pot and the BB responds with a raise, and then the SB re-raises the bet. I had thought that only the Big blind could make a 3bet but, now I'm not so sure?
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4) ? Open-raising range: When after both blinds are posted, instead of open-limping into the pot, the SB open-raises.

5) ? 3bet calling range: When after the SB open-raises, and the BB 3bets, and the SB calls the BB's 3bet. I think this is also called a "3bet flatting range", but I'm not sure?

6) ? 4betting range: When after the SB open-raises, and the BB 3bets, and then the SB 4bets. I guess that since it's not a shoving range that it is implied to mean that it's not an All-In bet?

7) ? 4bet-shoving range: When after the SB open-raises, and the BB 3bets, and then the SB 4bet shoves All-In.
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8) ? Open-shoving range: When after both blinds are posted, the SB neither open-limps in nor open-raises, but goes All-In immediately.

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Big Blind preflop playing ranges (HU):

9) ? Checking range: When after the SB open-limps into the pot and the BB just checks to see the flop.

10) ? Raising range: When after the SB open-limps into the pot and the BB raises.

11) ? 3bet calling range: When after the SB open-limps, the BB responds with a raise, the SB responds back with a 3bet, and the BB calls that 3bet.
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12) ? Raise calling range: When the SB open-raises, and the BB responds by calling that raise.

13) ? 3betting range: When the SB open-raises, and the BB responds with a re-raise (3bet).

14) ? 4bet calling range: When after the SB 4bets, and the BB responds by calling that 4bet.

15) ? 4bet-shove calling range: When the SB 4bet-shoves All-In and the BB calls this All-In bet.
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16) ? Shove calling range: When the SB open-shoves and the BB calls this All-In bet.

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So, do the 16 preflop range names that I have listed above seem like they're the correct terms to use for the HU position that I've given each one and it's description?

Also, since I am still learning, which HU preflop playing ranges should I have in my overall playing range, from either the small blind or the Big blind? Or, how many should I use at a minimum so that I don't at first overwhelm myself with too much info to learn at once? If I had to pick only 3 things that are the most important part of my game, I'd say that they would probably be Cbetting, 3betting OOP, and open shoving IP. Since I'm playing micros, should I even worry any about more complex ranges?

I play microstakes. I was going to say that I only use a few of those listed, but I use them all at one time or another. Are there a few range names that I left out that I should learn about, or should I use fewer playing ranges until I become more skilled at how to adjust them, etc.? If it gives any insight into my situation, I'd say that out of 1,000 matches, I win anywhere from %53 to %57 of them. since the sample size is still small, those 1,000 games are measured in 10 batches of 100 HUSnG's per batch. Each batch has a varying win/loss record of %53-%57. Thanks for any advice that you can offer!


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I think maybe I was overthinking the whole "range" thing. Well, not actually over thinking it, but learning all of the correct terminology confused me quite a bit. I finally was able to get through a couple of intro HU videos and mostly understand the concepts. I hope enough to get the basics of it down (idk).

Should a beginner in HU just worry about maybe four preflop ranges from each position (8 total)?

Like, from the Button, just worry about my limping range, raising range, 3bet calling range, and shoving range?

And from the Big blind, worry about my checking range, limp-raising range, 3betting range, and shoving range ?


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