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[Closed] Top pair vs Flushdraw

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ninjagaiden05
Joined: 17.09.2008

I put here as detailed as I remember the situation in this tournament:

Middlestage of a large tournament, hero has 22-24k chips, one more has 23-25k chips rest at table have 1-5k chips.

50/100 Blinds

Hero gets AK offsuit, raises 12x BB(1200), all fold excpet big stack who calls. The big stack has position on hero.

flop comes KdJd9c, Hero bets 2/3-3/4 of pot, Big stack calls.

pot is approx 6-8k.

turn: 7h, Hero bets half the pot(4k), big stack calls.

pot is approx 16k, Hero has less than 6k left.

river is 2d, Hero checks, bigstacks moves all in.

Hero calls.

Big stacks shows QdKd King flush, Hero shows pair of kings with ace kicker and is out of tournament.

What did I do wrong here?
I prolly should have put him allin on turn and not let him get proper odds to call river.

I put him on a high pair preflop, on flop I got cautious and thought he had flopped 2pair.


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my 2p worth -

the flop is dangerous, dependent on how big stack has played makes a massive difference as to how you play it.

However to be honest I would not be getting involved with another chip stack at this time in the event - There are so many hands he could have, let alone the draws, ( maybe negative) but ultimalty with your stack there will be better/safer oppertunities to get involved.

So the raise pre flop was correct - a continuation bet once hitting top pair is fair but after that you are in no mans land, the final was more not letting go of the hand I feel - but having pot commited you put yourself in a tough position..

From what you say you could have put him on several hands which beat you - and ultimatly you were correct - you could have folded on the river and still had a resonable stack against blinds/table etc - I always say you cant win the event in one hand at mid stage the key is protecting the stack you have built and picking your oppertunities..


Villain had really strong draw and I don't think he would have folded the turn - from his perspective he might be ahead with his top pair, 2nd best kicker, he might assume that K,Q or T or any diamond will improve him even if he is behind.


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

i think it's too dangerous to get your whole stack in against the other bigstack with top pair top kicker when the draw completes, you are comited on the river so you can't fold. i think you raised too much preflop and that made the pot too big.

please get a hand converter since you have Kd twice .... and he is not folding with top pair second kicker plus flush draw, plus gutshot. he was a favorite on the flop by the way.


preflop raise lot less like 3bb , no need to risk tournament life with such a big stack

as played , he has got to be calling with something and could easy be flush draw , so try to control the pot size you only have one pair & its not beating much


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

Preflop: raise a lot less, even live. Raising so much just commits you preflop, and you might as well openshove (btw, DON'T do this either!) 4-4.5BB is best (we don't want to raise to 3BB or 3.5 here by the way guys, because we are 200BB deep).

Flop's good.

On the turn I prefer to bet closer to potsize again because the board is so drawy, and we give him too good implied odds (because we obviously have a made hand and will be committed if he hits).

On the river I shove out of position. If we check, he NEVER bluffs there, and will check back all worse hands (which would call a shove), and bet all better hands (which we are then committed to call).