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Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Finally I have the BR to grind NL10 again. After I had a good day yesterday and a nice session right now, my BR is at 265$. I sat down at one table (to get used to the new betting sizes and game flow) and managed to win a stack, which gives me motivation and a little bit confidence.
Maybe I'll play a bit later, but I am not sure if I find the time.

I am so glad right now, that I am back to what I wanted to start in September with.

And here is my October graph; as seen in my post it is pretty swingy:


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

What can you do against the variance? As always I am having bad luck, when I step to NL10:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$19,25:62/31/11/4,3/19/35/50/33;BB$10,05:65/35/31/6,5/33/13/100/25;MP2$9,85:54/19/13/4,0/17/22/100/0;MP3$10,21:613/24/12/3,9/19/25/93/58;CO$13,91:329/17/8/9,7/30/10/80/62;Hero$11,26:///////;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BU with 9♣, 9♦
MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0,35, CO folds, Hero calls $0,35, 2 folds.

Flop: ($0,85) 9♥, 6♥, 5♥ (2 players)
MP3 bets $0,40, Hero raises to $2,00, MP3 calls $1,60.

Turn: ($4,85) Q♦ (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $4,00, MP3 raises to $7,86 (All-In), Hero calls $3,86.

River: ($20,57) A♣ (1 players)

Final Pot: $20,57

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows three of a kind, nines (9c 9d)
MP3 shows a straight flush, nines high (8h 7h)

MP3 wins with a straight flush, nines high (8h 7h)

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$12,35:329/17/8/9,7/30/10/80/62;Hero$11,66:///////;MP2$4,90:09/44/0/0,5/75/0/-/67;MP3$12,36:65/35/31/6,5/33/13/100/25;CO$10,23:54/19/13/4,0/17/22/100/0;BU$10,19:43/5/5/-/50/11/100/100;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♦, A♥
MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0,40, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1,20, MP3 calls $0,80.

Flop: ($2,45) 5♥, 6♠, Q♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $2,00, MP3 calls $2,00.

Turn: ($6,45) Q♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $3,22, Hero raises to $8,46 (All-In), MP3 calls $5,24.

River: ($23,37) 9♠ (2 players)

Final Pot: $23,37

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, aces and queens (Ad Ah)
MP3 shows two pairs, aces and queens (As Ac)

Hero wins with two pairs, aces and queens (Ad Ah)
MP3 wins with two pairs, aces and queens (As Ac)

The BU was a full fish, who went all in with third pair against me in an earlier hand:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$21,59:///////;BB$14,84:19/42/16/4,5/29/0/-/50;MP3$9,35:299/14/11/2,4/23/20/86/43;CO$5,72:67/61/4/1,3/25/0/75/40;BU$7,02:88/53/2/1,3/28/3/50/50;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♠, J♦
2 folds, BU raises to $0,20, Hero raises to $0,60, BB folds, BU calls $0,40.

Flop: ($1,30) T♠, 7♥, 6♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $1,00, BU calls $1,00.

Turn: ($3,30) T♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $3,00, BU calls $3,00.

River: ($9,30) A♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $4,65, BU raises to $2,42 (All-In).

Final Pot: $16,37

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows two pairs, jacks and tens (Js Jd)
BU shows three of a kind, tens (Td 4d)

BU wins with three of a kind, tens (Td 4d)

On the turn I was like: wtf... and made a crying call and after I saw his hand I was just aaaaaaaarg when the river came:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$10,24:43/5/5/-/50/11/100/100;BB$12,75:329/17/8/9,7/30/10/80/62;Hero$11,93:///////;MP3$4,90:09/44/0/0,5/75/0/-/67;CO$12,36:65/35/31/6,5/33/13/100/25;BU$10,51:54/19/13/4,0/17/22/100/0;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7♥, 7♣
Hero raises to $0,40, 2 folds, BU calls $0,40, SB folds, BB calls $0,30.

Flop: ($1,25) 6♣, 7♦, 3♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0,80, BU calls $0,80, BB folds.

Turn: ($2,85) 4♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $2,00, BU raises to $9,31 (All-In), Hero calls $7,31.

River: ($21,47) 5♠ (2 players)

Final Pot: $21,47

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, seven high (7h 7c)
BU shows a straight, seven high (6d 6s)

Hero wins with a straight, seven high (7h 7c)
BU wins with a straight, seven high (6d 6s)

And another horrible river:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$19,15:///////;BB$9,94:89/15/11/2,0/27/24/100/50;MP2$10,14:78/59/14/4,7/19/25/60/29;MP3$1,99:28/32/18/1,3/17/33/-/100;CO$9,65:414/12/10/19,0/16/17/82/56;BU$4,23:20/30/25/-/40/25/100/100;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4♥, 4♣. MP3 posts a blind of $0,10.
MP2 calls $0,10, MP3 checks, CO folds, BU calls $0,10, Hero calls $0,05, BB checks.

Flop: ($0,50) 5♦, 4♦, 9♠ (5 players)
Hero bets $0,30, BB folds, MP2 raises to $0,60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2,00, MP2 raises to $6,50, Hero raises to $19,05 (All-In), MP2 raises to $10,04 (All-In).

Turn: ($29,59) 5♥
River: ($29,59) 5♣ (2 players)

Final Pot: $29,59

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a full-house, fives full of fours (4h 4c)
MP2 shows a full-house, fives full of queens (Qc Qh)

MP2 wins with a full-house, fives full of queens (Qc Qh)

As you see, especially my sets are running baaaad. I know that's poker, but wtf... Is this normal? X(


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Well, a little update is necessary.

Have been playing NL10 for round about 2 weeks now not running too good. I got used to the bet sizes and the little more aggressive preflop play, and feel because of this actually pretty comfortable. At the moment, however, I am again in a phase, in which I get like the worst river card for my hand very often and do not get paid off by my opponents.

A bigger sample size is needed, so I need to play more. Since the university is needing the most of my time, I cannot play as much as I'd like to, but there will be a time.

If you don't know what to do, just watch Big Bang Theory. It's an American TV show about some physicist nerds, so it's pretty funny:


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

Hi Petrificus, if you have trouble at nl10 then try nl4 a bit, while you gather your confidence back.


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Hey,

well, fortunately I had a little upswing today and finally got my bonus released, so I feel comfortable. I wasn't playing bad the past weeks or so, but just didn't move forward.
I need to do more theory on the weekend, if I find the time to (probably I don't).

Are you playing NL10, if you are still on Titan? Haven't seen you for a long time.


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

Originally posted by Petrificus
Hey,

well, fortunately I had a little upswing today and finally got my bonus released, so I feel comfortable. I wasn't playing bad the past weeks or so, but just didn't move forward.
I need to do more theory on the weekend, if I find the time to (probably I don't).

Are you playing NL10, if you are still on Titan? Haven't seen you for a long time.

Yes, Im there playing NL2-10 but I play much less now. Less quantity, more quality =)


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Hey,

right now I am feeling really safe in my play at NL10. I implemented my game more or less the way it was on NL5 and it seems to work.

In my preflop game I still have problems, when I get 3betted or there was a raise before me. My balancing there needs an upgrade, so I think I will look for these hands and post them in the forum.

Postflop is okay, I think. My problems with overpairs remains and I am still scared to cbet/semibluff/bluff and so on in 3betted pots, which does not come from scared money, but from the fact that I can't estimate the ranges of my opponents right. I'll search some hands concerning this subject also and post them in the forum.

Today I met a total fish (who cracked my kings, btw...): pIanB
Just a hint for those, that also play at Titan.

I'd like to post my stats here. Samplesize still is very small (6631hands), but anyway:

VpiP 21.4%
PFR 16.9%
AF 3.7
WTS 21.9%
W$wsF 38.1%
W$@SD 55.1%

On3bet Fold 72%
On3bet Call 18%
On3bet Raise 10%

How should the 3bet x values be? Any idea?


hello

just my 2cents :)

ur vpip/pfr should be closer, like 21/18
af is good
wts little low but ok
these two good

i think u fold to 3bet way to often.. it's very -ev play.. try to work on it

nhf, just my opinion

gl


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Thx for your comment.

So, in general I am happy that my stats seem to be okay. On my 3bet- Play I'll work for sure, starting the weekend.

Today I had a bad session, as always, when I get rakeback. Again there were a few situations in that I was being 3betted and I folded, or I 4betted and my opponent pushed, so that I had to fold. Then I ran with my KK into AA and also I lost with trips against a "playing every hand guy". Afterwards I found this hand funny.

I know I completly missplayed it, but I would have gone broke anyway on any street (I know, I should have folded preflop, but I've been a little bit tilt, that I didn't get a good hand). He pushed three times directly postflop, so I decided to do that also:

Known players:
[tg]Hero$9,90:///////;BB$13,69:///////;MP3$11,84:///////;CO$38,01:///////;BU$9,94:///////;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with T♠, 6♦
MP3 folds, CO raises to $0,20, BU folds, Hero calls $0,15, BB folds.

Flop: ($0,50) T♣, 8♦, T♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($0,50) 7♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($0,50) Q♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $9,70 (All-In)

Chat CO: I have QT

CO calls $9,70.

Final Pot: $19,90

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows three of a kind, tens (Ts 6d)
CO shows a full-house, tens full of queens (Qc Td)

CO wins with a full-house, tens full of queens (Qc Td)

Bad play, you pay...


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

After watching a vid by hasenbraten concerning 3bets preflop, I started a session to use the seen possibilities. In general it helped me and worked out. Nevertheless this session again went bad.

This hand represents in a good way of how I am running for the past three months. My BR oscillates from 290$ to 210$ and up and down and up and down. Sick; I play for 5 days really good and move steadily upwards and then there comes a down and I loose everything in three sessions or so; so my edge seems to be small, if there is one.

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$13,01:73/27/22/-/13/31/67/100;Hero$16,32:///////;MP2$22,82:316/16/14/10,3/37/26/86/50;MP3$12,89:65/25/9/1,3/38/13/67/40;CO$2,85:34/47/3/1,8/25/0/0/0;BU$12,80:87/39/0/0,9/31/0/0/40;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, A♦
MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0,30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1,00, MP3 raises to $12,89 (All-In), Hero calls $11,89.

Flop: ($25,83) 3♠, Q♣, 4♥
Turn: ($25,83) 2♠
River: ($25,83) 5♣ (2 players)

Final Pot: $25,83

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, five high (Ah Ad)
MP3 shows a straight, five high (As Kd)

Hero wins with a straight, five high (Ah Ad)
MP3 wins with a straight, five high (As Kd)

And then there come these tough decisions, in which I hit the worst river for me, and I possibly tend to make the wrong decisions there:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$9,95:289/20/14/-/16/26/100/86;Hero$10,52:///////;MP2$10,71:343/58/3/3,3/21/5/59/42;MP3$18,74:36/17/6/1,3/67/0/100/50;CO$10,96:97/29/8/2,0/41/16/50/85;BU$10,00:71/13/13/2,5/30/20/-/0;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♠, J♣
2 folds, CO calls $0,10, BU folds, SB calls $0,05, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0,30) K♣, 7♠, T♣ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0,20, CO calls $0,20, SB folds.

Turn: ($0,70) 6♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($0,70) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0,40, Hero raises to $1,60, CO raises to $10,66 (All-In), Hero raises to $10,22 (All-In).

Final Pot: $21,58

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, ace high (Qs Jc)
CO shows a flush, ace high (Ac 3c)

CO wins with a flush, ace high (Ac 3c)

I'll take a one week break, to improve my theoretical play and just have little pause.
You're welcome to analyze the last hand: I'd be interested which factors you might have convinced of finding a fold here. Imo, his high W$@SD is a hint.
I also think I should have played bet/fold turn...


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

Originally posted by Petrificus
After watching a vid by hasenbraten concerning 3bets preflop, I started a session to use the seen possibilities. In general it helped me and worked out. Nevertheless this session again went bad.

This hand represents in a good way of how I am running for the past three months. My BR oscillates from 290$ to 210$ and up and down and up and down. Sick; I play for 5 days really good and move steadily upwards and then there comes a down and I loose everything in three sessions or so; so my edge seems to be small, if there is one.

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$13,01:73/27/22/-/13/31/67/100;Hero$16,32:///////;MP2$22,82:316/16/14/10,3/37/26/86/50;MP3$12,89:65/25/9/1,3/38/13/67/40;CO$2,85:34/47/3/1,8/25/0/0/0;BU$12,80:87/39/0/0,9/31/0/0/40;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♥, A♦
MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $0,30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1,00, MP3 raises to $12,89 (All-In), Hero calls $11,89.

Flop: ($25,83) 3♠, Q♣, 4♥
Turn: ($25,83) 2♠
River: ($25,83) 5♣ (2 players)

Final Pot: $25,83

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, five high (Ah Ad)
MP3 shows a straight, five high (As Kd)

Hero wins with a straight, five high (Ah Ad)
MP3 wins with a straight, five high (As Kd)

And then there come these tough decisions, in which I hit the worst river for me, and I possibly tend to make the wrong decisions there:

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$9,95:289/20/14/-/16/26/100/86;Hero$10,52:///////;MP2$10,71:343/58/3/3,3/21/5/59/42;MP3$18,74:36/17/6/1,3/67/0/100/50;CO$10,96:97/29/8/2,0/41/16/50/85;BU$10,00:71/13/13/2,5/30/20/-/0;[/tg]
0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.61 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♠, J♣
2 folds, CO calls $0,10, BU folds, SB calls $0,05, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0,30) K♣, 7♠, T♣ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0,20, CO calls $0,20, SB folds.

Turn: ($0,70) 6♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($0,70) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0,40, Hero raises to $1,60, CO raises to $10,66 (All-In), Hero raises to $10,22 (All-In).

Final Pot: $21,58

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, ace high (Qs Jc)
CO shows a flush, ace high (Ac 3c)

CO wins with a flush, ace high (Ac 3c)

I'll take a one week break, to improve my theoretical play and just have little pause.
You're welcome to analyze the last hand: I'd be interested which factors you might have convinced of finding a fold here. Imo, his high W$@SD is a hint.
I also think I should have played bet/fold turn...

Well his shove is a good tell on what he has, specially after you raise. His W$SD is another. His full stack is another. Looks like an easy fold actually.

Of course, this is hard to see when he might be playing fast and furious and you are under pressure, multitabling.
Sometimes I forget to stop and take a good luck at the hand before I click "call" and it can be costly.


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Yeah, now I also see, that I should have waited for a better spot. I still make too many mistakes, that's it :rolleyes:


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

Originally posted by Petrificus
Yeah, now I also see, that I should have waited for a better spot. I still make too many mistakes, that's it :rolleyes:

We all make mistakes apparently, hell, even the pros make them! =)
"keep your chin up"/hasenbraten


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Yeah, I think I will keep my chin up. Today I played just a little bit again; the first time since saturday. I decided to play a short HU session on NL2 and would have been two stacks up, if there had not been the ace on the river...
BE is not too bad. :rolleyes:


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

nl2 is evil.


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Time for a little update again.

The december started really good, but since I am only NL2 and NL4 I am not too suprised about it, but still happy.

I will use the december just to improve my postflop skill by playing only NL2 and NL4. Doing so I can built my BR very easily for a new (then the 3rd...) attempt on NL10.
Somehow I always have been a little bit impatient on NL10, that's why I keep playing the lower limits for now.

Looking at my winrate NL2 is probably unbeatable with its 27BB/100 on 22000 hands in total.


Petrificus
Joined: 18.02.2008

Hey,

yesterday I decided to cash out everything, cause I am convinced, that I should use my time in another way.
I still like poker and I learned a lot about the game, but playing BE for the past three months makes my motivation fall very deeply. Much time has been invested and would still need to be invested, but I don't see anything, except a bit money, that I get from it. Perhaps it would pay off, if I work harder on my game, so that I beat, say NL100, at the end of the next year, but I just don't see myself in doing so.

So, I wish you guys a lot of fun, no downswings and nice hands
and of course Merry Christmas,

bye bye

yours
Petrificus


TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

Sorry to see you go but I'm pretty sure you will be back =)

bye until then.