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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

A tight reg flatting our 4bet OOP and hes range when he does this for me is pretty mush only KK sometimes maybe AK but i did have a note said that he was 5beting AKo more than calling it. So is this hand good played by me? is my 4bet sizing bad?

EDIT: This is NL70$ (curency wrong)
$2.50/$5 No Limit Holdem
10 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG stttNNN ($500.32) 100bb
UTG+1 MaRtIn_10 ($1,307.32) 261bb
UTG+2 sigges888 ($1,167.24) 233bb
MP1 bonzo90 ($503.38) 101bb
MP2 kevzta ($779.78) 156bb
MP3 kuloman ($299.19) 60bb
CO fox-unit ($807.05) 161bb
BTN PgUp ($409.93) 82bb
SB perstorp ($559.20) 112bb
BB Floodman50 ($673.70) 135bb

Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 10 players) stttNNN is UTG A♣ A♦
stttNNN raises to $17.50, 7 folds, perstorp calls $15, Floodman50 raises to $70, stttNNN raises to $145, perstorp folds, Floodman50 calls $75

Flop: 7♥ 3♣ K♠ ($307.50, 2 players)
Floodman50 checks, stttNNN checks

Turn: 9♠ ($299.82, 2 players)
Floodman50 bets $130, stttNNN folds

Final Pot: $169.82
stttNNN shows
A♣ A♦

Floodman50 wins $429.82 (net +$224.82)

perstorp lost $15
stttNNN lost $162.50


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Get it in, especially with AA in 4bet pot. If he has KK, you were deemed to stack off vs that hand anyway. He could have bunch of other hands like KQ, AJ :spade: :spade: ... So he doesn't have only KK here. He still might have AK in such spot even though you block it very much.

IMO bet flop, bet turn, shove river.

Maybe I am wrong, because I don't play full-ring but this just how I think.

GL.


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

Originally posted by Rihard4a
Get it in, especially with AA in 4bet pot. If he has KK, you were deemed to stack off vs that hand anyway. He could have bunch of other hands like KQ, AJ :spade: :spade: ... So he doesn't have only KK here. He still might have AK in such spot even though you block it very much.

IMO bet flop, bet turn, shove river.

Maybe I am wrong, because I don't play full-ring but this just how I think.

GL.

I know its std to go bet bet bet SH HU but this is fullring and this player is reely tight.. i might have gone for the calling turn thing and try to chk down or bet when he skip barrel Xx rivs..


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Dafuq? More combos of AK then of KK so stack off. And btw I don't belive that anyone likes playing KK oop just for the record.


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

Originally posted by lnternet

LOL :f_biggrin:

well I did do a misstake maybe.. Im fishy. :f_love:


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Why no stats?

You'd need a huuuuuge sample size to know for sure that his range here is KK+ which it needs to be to make the fold.


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booomm
Joined: 22.03.2011

You fold AA on a K high dry board on a 4b pot and you call him a nit ?


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

Originally posted by metza
Why no stats?

You'd need a huuuuuge sample size to know for sure that his range here is KK+ which it needs to be to make the fold.

yes and I have a huge sampel size on this guy. but well i did do a misstake here and will not do it again.


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Pkrpains
Joined: 04.10.2010

Just played a similar hand and thought it would be interesting to share here.

How about this spot:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50)
BB ($62.70)
UTG ($51.10)
UTG+1 ($58.05)
CO ($144)
Hero ($79.86)

Dealt to Hero A♦ A♥

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, fold, fold, CO calls $3.50

FLOP ($10.75) 7♠ K♠ 2♦

CO checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7

TURN ($24.75) 7♠ K♠ 2♦ 5♣

CO checks, Hero bets $15.50, CO raises to $31, Hero folds

CO wins $53.25

villain 17/14/1,4 AF/25 fold to 3bet in 500 hands, no relevant reads.

I mean, this has to be 22 or 77. Is he ever bluffing like that? Can't imagine. AK, imo, just calls down 99% of the time.

So another nitty fold or actually a good play?


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stttNNN
Joined: 21.07.2010

WP imo. if u dont have any reads or something else I think it is std fold there :P


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So why did you show it? :f_confused:


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

@stttNNN

Why don't you try to post in the NL$2 (or, in your case, less) forums instead? Not trying to be mean, but you belong in "playmoney forum" rather than the "Advanced NL forum".

You've cost me a lot of time (though one of your stupid folds sparked an interesting discussion over at here: should i go for the set mine in this spot?). This makes me an idiot, but that's okay, because I am and idiot.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Please try to keep the discussion positive.

If you don't think a question is worth asking, by all means feel free not to answer it.

Cheers,
--VS


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

He has been posting very similar hands in multiple threads here. They should be posted in the hand evaluation forums. This section is for advanced discussions. I feel he is abusing the "right to post", perhaps to come around limitations on the number of hand evaluations per month.


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Hackett77
Joined: 02.02.2009

Flop check is good.

No real reason to bet here. Your going to stack AK anyway (more likely with flop check, less likely with B/B/B) and this line gets you at least 1 street from QQ and can get away (depending on stack depth) when he has KK.

I don't really understand the hand history or the stack sizes but if your 100Bbs deep then im calling down always. 200bs deep I probably find a fold on the river.

You say he is a tight reg so has KK like always but stats don't tell you the whole picture (very little in fact - so many people overuse and misuse their HUD)

You have to take gameflow and stack depth into account also, is he currently winning/losing, over the session and over the immediate short term? what is the recent/overall dynamic between the two of you. These factors will alter his 4b call range, especially as its a min b4 but again i don't understand the stacks sizes etc in this hand so its hard to really make any comments regarding stack depth and sizings.


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ZhiCheng
Joined: 04.10.2008

Nits, Nits everywhere


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Hackett77
Joined: 02.02.2009

^^^

This is a full ring hand, the mystical realm where folding bottom set becomes normal :)


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by YohanN7
He has been posting very similar hands in multiple threads here. They should be posted in the hand evaluation forums. This section is for advanced discussions. I feel he is abusing the "right to post", perhaps to come around limitations on the number of hand evaluations per month.

You must be on huge tilt.


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Well, just 5 combos of AK are needed in order for this to be a profitable bet, bet, bet spot. We can of course chB, call, call if we think villain is the kind of NIT who frequently folds TPTK to a 2nd barrel.


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