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NL SH Speed QQ Facing a Squeeze

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Hello!

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $4.11 (41.1 bb)
MP: $13.65 (136.5 bb)
CO: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $1.30, MP folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($2.95) K 6 9 (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero folds

Preflop: Decided to flat BTN vs MP. Could probably value 3bet, but I don't expect to be ahead much of the time if he continues. Then the reg on the BB decided to squeeze and I'm not sure what to do. Folding would be too weak, after the MP folded. If I 4bet, am pretty sure that will be against KK+ most often. So, decided to flat.

Flop: Don't like to see that K, but think I have to call at least once, and then fold on the Turn. What do you think?

MP: 22/16/75/128 (VPIP/PFR/Ft3B/H)
BB: 24/24/21,4/33 (VPIP/PFR/B/H)


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AlvisR
Joined: 27.02.2009

my line, as this might be resteal pretty often, i raise hes squeeze and see what he does on flop. we have position.

As you played: call flop, reevaluate turn. You have position.

But i might be wrong, playing only nl5


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by AlvisR
my line, as this might be resteal pretty often, i raise hes squeeze and see what he does on flop. we have position.

As you played: call flop, reevaluate turn. You have position.

But i might be wrong, playing only nl5

Ok, but if I decided to raise his squeeze, do you think he will continue with worse? First of all, I think he wouldn't flat that often, and if he flats, it's most often a trap with KK+. He will shove, most likelly. Also, I think that AK is most often the worst hand which will continue, and I'm not that big favorite even against that. Can't fold queens, either in that spot, although will lose money in the long run, I think.

So, yeah. I think preflop is ok, but have to call flop and fold most turns.


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Well ...
1. Don't forget that everytime he folds you win $1.90 wich is good
2. I think he can continue (call or even shove) with wors hands.

Depending on MP and Your image at the table he can sqeez with a lot of hands:
Axs, KQs, 99+ maybe even worse and he can get stuburn and shove some of them.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Hades1313
Well ...
1. Don't forget that everytime he folds you win $1.90 wich is good
2. I think he can continue (call or even shove) with wors hands.

Depending on MP and Your image at the table he can sqeez with a lot of hands:
Axs, KQs, 99+ maybe even worse and he can get stuburn and shove some of them.

I agree, winning €1,90 is good. At that point I was thinking how I could win the most/lose the least. If I shove that hand, will maybe win €1,90 in that particular hand, but not sure what would be in the long run. From my experience, regs at this limit are very tight to 4bets, I know I am. I often see only KK+ continuing. The BB seems like a regular, so I assume he would also be tight. In addition, I don't expect him to call 4bet oop. With flatting, I keep all his weaker range in the hand, so I think it's more profitable in the long run then shoving. Ofcourse, as played, I can't just fold this flop, but that's another pair of shoes..


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PriscoInline
Joined: 05.05.2012

I think a squeeze range for the BB is wide enough for a 4bet to be the most profitable play overall.
Even if calling might be a bit more +EV, wouldn't 4betting pre be such an easier line, preventing you from tough postflop decisions?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by PriscoInline
I think a squeeze range for the BB is wide enough for a 4bet to be the most profitable play overall.
Even if calling might be a bit more +EV, wouldn't 4betting pre be such an easier line, preventing you from tough postflop decisions?

Would be easier, definitelly, yes.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

I think you can get 5bet jammed on here by worse hands for sure. Because you just flat called the raise, then if you 4bet, it looks quite bluffy.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by metza
I think you can get 5bet jammed on here by worse hands for sure. Because you just flat called the raise, then if you 4bet, it looks quite bluffy.

Yeah, might bet. Thank you for pointing it out!


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noobis667
Joined: 04.02.2012

Pll not sqz that often as we think on that spot imho,if we jam QQ there does not make any sence to me,its like turning QQ into a bluff pre flop,villain will be never call our jam with AJ,AQ,JJ,TT,KQ etc.I think hero play its ok,i will just fold A,K high boards and call once when i have overpairs.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by noobis667
Pll not sqz that often as we think on that spot imho,if we jam QQ there does not make any sence to me,its like turning QQ into a bluff pre flop,villain will be never call our jam with AJ,AQ,JJ,TT,KQ etc.I think hero play its ok,i will just fold A,K high boards and call once when i have overpairs.

I also think that they wont continue with worse. This is from my experience, but who knows, maybe I had or remember only bad experiences.

So, you wont call this flop? What about calling the flop and folding most turns? In case of an overpair, I believe you would call the flop and fold most turns, right? I probably would.


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noobis667
Joined: 04.02.2012

Idk man,if was a good reg vs me i will go broke by calling JJ and QQ on that spot when i have overpairs 1/4 of the times,cos if he know that am never setmine there my range its pretty much allways TT-QQ and i cant let him just ran over me,but at nl10 regs are bad and i dont thing that they know what am doing.Its the same spot that you opening utg and get 3bet by BB,you have QQ...you cant fold cos if you fold QQ then you fold a lot i guess but you cant 4bet cos QQ will be crushed if he jam.So you flat,so if BB know that you are never setmining there with baby pairs your range its AK,JJ,QQ or something like that.So you can go broke 1/4 of the time with overpair,cos if you dont and he know that he will start barreling turns you ran over you.


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noobis667
Joined: 04.02.2012

I dont talk about balancing or something,but if you thing about it you dont have contunue turn range on that spot when board dont have A or k cos if you have AK you have air and if you have QQ or JJ you fold.So if he start betting those turn he crush you.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by noobis667
I dont talk about balancing or something,but if you thing about it you dont have contunue turn range on that spot when board dont have A or k cos if you have AK you have air and if you have QQ or JJ you fold.So if he start betting those turn he crush you.

Thanks for the comments!


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