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shivas80
Joined: 24.12.2008
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PokerStars - $6.45+$0.55|200/400 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 7.01 BB
CO: 10.51 BB (VPIP: 15.76, PFR: 15.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.96, Hands: 1,085)
BTN: 11.1 BB (VPIP: 29.23, PFR: 14.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
SB: 5.14 BB (VPIP: 18.46, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 69)

4 players post ante of 0.06 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.75 BB) Hero has J♥ A♠

fold, BTN raises to 11.03 BB and is all-in, SB calls 4.58 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 5.95 BB and is all-in

Flop: (19.22 BB, 3 players) 5♣ 4♥ 2♥

Turn: (19.22 BB, 3 players) 3♦

River: (19.22 BB, 3 players) 6♣

Spoiler

Hero shows J♥ A♠ (Straight, Six High)
Main Pot [15.49 BB]: (Pre 39%, Flop 3%, Turn 2%)
Side Pot#1 [3.73 BB]: (Pre 48%, Flop 15%, Turn 69%)

BTN shows 2♠ 2♦ (Straight, Six High)
Main Pot [15.49 BB]: (Pre 18%, Flop 73%, Turn 25%)
Side Pot#1 [3.73 BB]: (Pre 52%, Flop 85%, Turn 31%)

SB shows 6♥ 6♠ (Straight, Six High)
Main Pot [15.49 BB]: (Pre 43%, Flop 23%, Turn 73%)

Hero wins 7.03 BB
BTN wins 7.03 BB
SB wins 5.17 BB


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011
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Hi shivas80!

I don`t like your call here. I don`t expect BTN will push here near as wide as he should. I expect him to push with around 50% of hands and even here I am not sure if he will push 95s or 85s, etc. And even SB call. So if he wins, and you win against BTN, you will have only 4bb left and you will be on SB next round. Also when BTN defeats SB you are ITM and if SB wins you have still good chances. So I prefer folding here and go only with: TT+ AQs+ AKo.

GL at tables!


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shivas80
Joined: 24.12.2008
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Hey, yes icmizer shows is easy call, even after i adjusted button push to 50% instead of nash. it was sometihing +0.8% if remember correctly.

I guess i have wrong mindset... i play to win, not to get ITM


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011
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i play to win, not to get ITM

Yes you always play for win as we all do. But if you wanna shove as much profit as you can, you must take in consideration bubble factor as well. Thats whay I won`t take too much risk here, with small EV+. :f_wink:

And I take all possible calculations in HRC with BTN shove 50% and only in chip EV mode I get that it is easy call. So HRC and ICMizer must have different calculations? Or I am doing something wrong? :f_confused:

GL at tables!


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shivas80
Joined: 24.12.2008
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FGS enabled?


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011
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Yes FGS also shove me that is EV-0,50.


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010
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Hi, guys and sorry that it took a bit longer than the average time to evaluate the hand. I am using ICMizer(FGS) enabled and if opponents are playing nash, it's an easy call. BTN for sure doesn't seem like a reg, so that makes the call a bit questionable. It is still profitable vs even vs 50%-some range. I would say BTN's range is prolly tighter than nash for sure. SB's range prolly won't go too far from nash as he seems reggish, which makes our call somewhat borderline. I don't hate it nor I love it. I expect it to be a slightly plus EV.


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011
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Hi everyone,

Sorry @kurrkabin that I pull this back again, but I still don`t know how you get +EV call with AJo with 50% BTN push. I even ask in comment section of HRC video about that and get that answer from @Unam:
#6 Unam, 09 May 14 18:24
@ mylove,

I think you are right, if I use the numbers I am getting a fold as well, but plz ask in kurrkabin what he calculated.

So if you can please explain me I would be more than glad. Thank you very much!
My calculation:

GL at tables!


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Rainmy
Joined: 17.07.2009
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I think the difference comes from the composition of the 50% hand range. I think HRC chooses more suited cards than ICMizer.


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011
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I think the difference comes from the composition of the 50% hand range. I think HRC chooses more suited cards than ICMizer.

Thanks @Rainmy for your respond! It is possible, but if I add some more off suited hands and remove suited ones, result is still -EV. Around -0,30EV. I don`t know but if ICMizer add a lot more off suited hands then HRC, then I am wondering what is best decision? Which one have wrong calculations then?
Anyway I still think that suited hands have more value then off suited. But I can be easly wrong. Afterall I don`t master those situations.

GL at tables!


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010
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Hi, guys and btw I tried last time to post the graph as well, but greedy guys from imageshack wanted to charge me money :P

Found another way, so there goes the pic:

This one is including FGS.

This one is set to a tighter range that consist a tigher range of 54%
Below you can see what hands are profitable for a hero to overcall, which is 88, AJ+


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