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Nl4 13082014 - two pairs vs donk bet turn

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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

PartyGaming - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $4.61
BTN: $8.12
SB: $9.96
BB: $3.76
UTG: $4.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7♥ 8♥

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 8♦ 7♠ 6♣
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.62, 2 players) K♠
BB bets $0.29, Hero calls $0.29

River: ($1.20, 2 players) 4♦
BB bets $1.14, fold

BB wins $1.14

Villain unknown. Is call turn a safe play?
River fold, given bet size?


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SneakyhanD
Joined: 29.10.2007

Hello faronel,

my 2cents on the hand;

Flop fine, perhaps could bet bit bigger no big deal.

Turn he donks very small, you should probably raise here and expect to get value from tons of worse hands, we basically give him free card on the drawy board.

I think if river was a 9 we have an easy fold ?
I think you're often still ahead of some busted flushes, maybe Kx, KT with gutshot. perhaps he does have some A5 sometimes.

Maybe it's a leak but I wouldn't give him credit, he's 94bb's stack and that turn donk ...


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faronel
Joined: 13.07.2011

Heya, Sneakyhand! Thank you for your thoughts. Here is my perspective why I folded.

Villain donks turn which means: 1) wants to get action with made hand (but don't confuse with "building pot" - these players do not know the concept, they just want $$$ :f_biggrin: ); 2) the villain donks with some gained draw or hits his mediocre hand (Kx, as you said). Based on that, assumed that it is safer to call IP and re-evaluate river, rather than value town myself, inclined with calling down the river...

... but the problem with calling is villain's river bet sizing. If the villain missed his flush draw/continues being on a worse (e.g. one pair) hand, why change from donk 1/3 pot size to pot size river? I am usually expecting these players putting out some block bet (1/3, 1/4th of the pot) as an indication of "I didn't hit or my hand is maybe somewhat strong but I am unsure, so maybe I fire a little bet and you fold, yes?" Maybe I am wrong but the pot size felt somehow too strong here...

I don't think that I am on a bluff catching here. It's either Kx hand that fish over-protects or I am beat and it's safe to let it go?


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