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Get Rich or Die..cause you dont have money to pay the bills. Trying to get out from nl20 - year 3

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riprlz
Joined: 06.11.2007

I don't understand why 4betting 22-55 as bluff range, it only makes sense if you are shoving it for value, if you are going to 3bet/fold 22-55 there is more ev in calling them.

And about being exploited, I'm pretty sure people would 3bet you lighter if you are opening a wider range and fold a lot to 3bet, but I don't see them exploiting it enough to make you lose that much money.

There is this 'concept' that when I started to think like that I got a lot better in 3bet wars, cause I've been leveling myself too much. Thinking that someone is widening theri blufff range against you is different than knowing someone is widening their bluff range against you.

Like sometimes like there is an donk that limps MP, you are at CO and you raise to isolate and play the fish HU. Than there is this 7% 3bet reg on the blinds that 3bet you, so you go like "c'mon, this guy knows I raise limpers like 30% of the time and that I fold a lot to 3bets, this is a perfect spot for him to 3bet me light, you know what ? im gonna 4bet this mtfkr", and you 4bet and he shoves.

Same goes the other way, lets say there is this reg at CO with 70% fold to 3bet and 4% 4bet range that raises to isolate the fish. So you go "wow, this lag guy have like 30% raise limpers, I have Ac5c and theyre so beautiful I'm gonna 3bet this mtfkr cause his range is wide and weak here". a fair thought, everything going great.
So you 3bet, fish folds and the guy 4bets you, than you start like "c'mon mtfkr, you didn't do it, did you ? he knows that I know this is a awesome spot to 3bet him and sees that I have like 10% 3bet, this mtfkr has a 4,5% 4bet range, so fold to my SHOVE mtfkrrrrrr" and you get called by AK.

Both hands you played looking only at stats and not taking into account the actions and the history taking place on that same table.

Always try to check if a reg overall stat is different from the stats he got at that table (on HM is double clickling the hud window), most regs that I see shifting their pré flop game acording to the tables are winning.

My case as exemple, on my stats I'm running 30/23 with 8% 3bet, but I'm 'never' playin like that, this is a mix of sometimes playin 36/28 on tables with a passive fish on my right and TAGs on my left, with other tables that I run 18/14 with a player most like you on my left, to playing like 25/21 on tables full with 'standard' NL20 regs.

My 3bet % is also tricky, I think I 3bet A LOT to be only 8%, but I also like to seat select, so on most tables that I have fish on my right my 3bet % would be like 6%, on the other side playing tables that I have position on regs that fold a lot I usually 3bet a lot, enough to be exploitable like 14%, but as it is difficult to play more than like 100 hands on a same table on ipoker cause tables are always breaking and regs come and go only the better regs realize this on time to counter it, I might 3bet them a lot and, even though they still might 4bet me sometimes, they do it on the same rate they usualy does agains a 8% 3bettor, they don't go crazy on that.

Sorry for my English cause, as you might have noticed by now, it is not my first language. If there is something I said that is not clear enough ask me and I try to explain better.

Also I'm trying to set up a skype group for ppl that grinds on ipoker so we could talk about specific regs, their play and how to counter it. I tried to do it on the Brazilian community but it seems like everyone plays pokerstars there, so now I'm thinking it might be easier within the english language comunity. If you are interested send me your skype via comunity tool, and also if you know other friend regs that play those limits there invite them plz


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Okay I am back.

I had first official meeting with my girlfriends parents yesterday, it went prettty good - I got drunk
I just wanted to be polite and don't offend anyone by not drinking. Her dad has huge biceps omg, I am already scarred
Everything was good, so nice little upswing in that part of my life. Oh and I am from Slovakia - I didn't said that.

Back to poker

I had little session on the Friday, I was up 50 usd and I ended up with +13. Finally winning session

with all that rakeback and bonuses I am down -300 usd, not a great month and I feel terrible.

Thanks riprlz for your post

yes, you are right - it doesn't make sense to 4bet, only 3B/5B bluff shove.

Thats exactly what I think, regs in general only premiums. From my experiences AQ, JJ you should be folding vs aggression in most of the spots.

That happens to me sometime, great concept - I should use it everytime.

My 3B is also tricky, I 3b a lot against fishes for value, IP reg if he has more then 65% fold to 3B. Obviously I can't seat sellect when I am at speed poker.

Your English is fine, I should apologize for my English _grin:

It would be great to be some community, I will PM you my skype name.

I just did quick review of 56 of my biggest loosing hands, my mistakes, bad plays, terrible bluffs cost me 250 euros.
I think I have more fundamental leak in poker and that's the reason I just even can't be break even, I am calling river bets too much, lot of bluffing and some tilting. I still have troubles asigning ranges to villains

I hope next month would be better, I would be playing solid straightforward poker, no fancy stuff.

I am thinking of some coaching lessons with W34z3l, do you have some experenice with this couch? I heard good things.

December for the win! - nope

December for breakeven in poker and for the win rakeback + rakerace.


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riprlz
Joined: 06.11.2007

I don't know this coach, but I'm also not much around the english community. I'm also looking for getting some coaching, I have interest in group coach too.

Also I think that if you are finding dificult assign right ranges for vilains you should start by tightening up your range, you play too many hands to alow yourself beeing in too many trouble spots where you get lost post flop.

But I think you can fine tune your game to start to really beat NL20, you have a style that is annoying to play against, usually regs are going to make mistakes because the way you play. But you can't spew, the TAGs are only waiting for the moment you spew to make money out of you, if you stop spewing like half of what you spew you could have a winrate higher than the standard 24/20 TAGS.

On my cash games history I went from being a nit, to being a spewy LAGtard and now I'm starting to spew a lot less and getting better (but I still think I might be playing to many hands).
I used to play NL50 on partypoker before blackfriday than I stopped playing and got back to poker like 3 months ago, and even though I don't have a big enough sample I have a strong feeling that I beat those limits, and as you have a similar style with similar stats I think you could be able to do the same.

Also I'll add you on skype, I look forward to talk more about that, maybe reviewing some hands or sessions.
Most players I know are tag-nits, so it is always nice talking poker to someone that thinks more like you.

Cause when you hand review a hand with a TAG friend you go like:

"I have this K8s hand that I raised CO cause there is this nits on my left but know I have this wierd river spot...blablabla"

And they go like: "well, whatever river spot, the mistake in this hand is playing, I'm folding it pré flop"

And I go like "wtf ?:f_ugly:"


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riprlz
Joined: 06.11.2007

I saw you at the tables today, remember this hand ? I almost shoved over your x/r, but as I said I'm trying not to be so spewy anymore:coolface:

And see why I say it is annoying to play against ? Tried to thin value you and got pwned.

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $21.70 (108.5 bb)
BB: $21.10 (105.5 bb)
UTG: $22.29 (111.5 bb)
MP: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $19.80 (99 bb)
BTN: $23.73 (118.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K T
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.30) 5 4 T (2 players)
MP bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.90) Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.90) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.80, MP raises to $6, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$6.50 pot ($0.32 rake)
Final Board: 5 4 T Q 4
MP mucked and won $6.18 ($3.08 net)
Hero mucked K T and lost (-$3.10 net)


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Yes I played little bit better today, but still lost 35usd over 2,3k hands. As you said I started to play little bit tighter like 24/20 but still minraises btn 80% and steal from SB vs BB a lot. I play tighter from UTG and MP - I used to call there w mediocre hand and usually ended up in 3way pot. And I am not spewing anymore, but just for a while I need to pick better spot to bluff and so I almost never bluff today.

This hand I remember this
I had problems with holdem manager 2 and my pc frozes for a while after the flop, I needed quickly to start a task manager and turn off hm2, and when everything was fine I woke up on the river without hud facing bet
So I wouldnt be bluffing without hud - I had QQ so nice fold mister :)

For this month I'll be tag nit who is bluffing a little bit more than the stats tell says.

As I said goal for this month is to be breakeven

I always had problems in this big pots: I think I played them poorly both. I don't think I know, I just want to hear it from other human how stupid I am and never to do it again!

** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (IPoker)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 03, 02:42:53 ET 2014
Table Speed Holdem 3 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €8.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 21, 3B: 13, AF: 1,8, Hands: 662
Seat 3: Player3 ( €26.33 EUR ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 0,9, Hands: 139
Seat 5: Player5 ( €27.77 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 1,4, Hands: 697
Seat 6: Player6 ( €23.19 EUR ) - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 1,2, Hands: 304
Seat 8: Player8 ( €8.20 EUR ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 9,0, Hands: 125
Seat 10: Hero ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 3,4, Hands: 127737
Hero posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Player1 posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero K♣: K♠:
Player3 raises [€0.60 EUR]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Hero raises [€1.90 EUR]
Player1 folds
Player3 calls [€1.40 EUR]

** Dealing Flop ** 6♥: 6♦: J♦:
Hero bets [€2.20 EUR]
Player3 calls [€2.20 EUR]

** Dealing Turn ** 4♣:
Hero bets [€4.00 EUR]
Player3 calls [€4.00 EUR]

** Dealing River ** 2♦:
Hero bets [€11.80 EUR]
Player3 calls [€11.80 EUR]
Player3 wins €38.19 EUR from main pot
Player3 shows J♠: J♣:

I had bad feeling, he insta called flop and turn. I think river bet is verry bad, only better hands can call me right with that sizing. Even QQ would probably fold sometimes{QQ, AJ are only hands that I wanted to call}, and if I want to call from AJ I should be betting a lot less.

** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (IPoker)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 03, 04:05:56 ET 2014
Table Speed Holdem 3 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €29.73 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 1,4, Hands: 697
Seat 3: Player3 ( €12.55 EUR ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 0,0, Hands: 56
Seat 5: Player5 ( €11.50 EUR ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 18, 3B: 6, AF: 2,2, Hands: 2737
Seat 6: Player6 ( €10.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 0,5, Hands: 148
Seat 8: Player8 ( €64.69 EUR ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 21, 3B: 15, AF: 10,0, Hands: 191
Seat 10: Hero ( €20.96 EUR ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 3,4, Hands: 127737
Hero posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Player1 posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero J♠: J♦:
Player3 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Player8 raises [€0.50 EUR]
Hero raises [€1.50 EUR]
Player1 folds
Player8 calls [€1.10 EUR]

** Dealing Flop ** 5♣: T♣: 6♠:
Hero bets [€2.00 EUR]
Player8 raises [€5.00 EUR]
Hero raises [€17.36 EUR]
Player8 calls [€14.36 EUR]

** Dealing Turn ** Q♠:
** Dealing River ** T♥:
Hero wins €40.02 EUR from main pot
Player8 shows 8♣: 7♣:

Almost always people are raising here with nut range like this 87s,TT,55,66 and maybe few AA - even Axs is rare. Should I call on the flop and see the turn or just fold right away?

I recieved nice little bonus 120 usd from willhill

My current br is 1220.


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I played 2 sessions today: 1st -32, 2nd -141 usd after 1.3K hands
after last session my biggest win was 3 euros
I just hate poker for now really. I can't win anything and I am just loosing a ton.

Sorry guys this isn't the most fun blog

another similair hand like yesterday:

** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (IPoker)
€20.00 EUR NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, December 04, 02:24:28 ET 2014
Table Speed Holdem 3 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €75.40 EUR ) - VPIP: 30, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2,8, Hands: 104
Seat 3: Player3 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 4,9, Hands: 1875
Seat 5: Player5 ( €21.20 EUR ) - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 6, AF: 3,9, Hands: 931
Seat 6: Player6 ( €20.00 EUR ) - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 4,0, Hands: 1553
Seat 8: Player8 ( €23.46 EUR ) - VPIP: 25, PFR: 22, 3B: 10, AF: 2,3, Hands: 554
Seat 10: Hero ( €23.29 EUR ) - VPIP: 27, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 3,4, Hands: 129120
Hero posts small blind [€0.10 EUR].
Player1 posts big blind [€0.20 EUR].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd Ac ]
Player3 folds
Player5 raises [€0.60 EUR]
Player6 folds
Player8 folds
Hero calls [€0.50 EUR]
Player1 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, Qc, 3d ]
Hero checks
Player5 bets [€1.20 EUR]
Hero calls [€1.20 EUR]
** Dealing Turn ** [ As ]
Hero checks
Player5 bets [€3.00 EUR]
Hero raises [€8.00 EUR]
Player5 calls [€5.00 EUR]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
Hero bets [€13.49 EUR]
Player5 calls [€11.40 EUR]
Player5 wins €40.47 EUR from main pot
Hero wins €2.09 EUR from main pot
Player5 shows [Ks, Ts ]

and I'll probably start folding KK preflop, they have always Aces really


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