Bad flush draw OOP

Hi,

I don´t like your line, since that way you end up being putting in 18bb often drawing to 30%
If you want to maximize your fold equity then direct shove is likely better.
I would personally fold oop or if I call then c/c flop should quite standard line. If he has air, then he would check back and you can take pot away on the turn.
If you hit your draw on the turn then you can always lead half pot and then bet or shove river

best regards,

I agree that after calling pre, calling the flop would be better, I really dislike my line as well. However, I think shoving the flop narrows my range way more than if I just make a big raise, since I wouldn't shove sets, 2 pair and so on.

Most players would assume you would 3-bet pre-flop JJ+, so that leaves QJ and 44 (sometimes AQ) your flop c/r value range and a lot of flushd+straightdraws.
They most likely not going to call 28BB shove with AK or KT, since they don´t want to gamble that much with just overcards or marginal draws, but if you leave room for fold equity then they might easily put money in theirself hoping that you´re going to fold marginal hands.
And if you would be UTG spot with TT or AJ, would you really consider calling 28BB shove? I think most players would take there b/f line their marginal hands.

Originally posted by Kaitz20
And if you would be UTG spot with TT or AJ, would you really consider calling 28BB shove? I think most players would take there b/f line their marginal hands.

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But then, what hands are you shoving in this spot that are not draws? Because if villain knows that you are only shoving draws, then the TT or AJ call become not so marginal anymore. Or am I missing something?

Well KQ, AQ is always good to add my shove range. But it doesn´t really matter what I would do this spot, but what villain thinks I would do. I know myself that I would b/f that spot against unknown TT, AK, AJ since I´m not going to risk half my stack on marginal spot putting villain directly on flushdraw (btw Jhxh are also flushdraw that are way ahead) and I think most good players are going to b/f their marginal hands against shove.

Hi all,

Generally I'm taking a c/c c/rai line on blanks rather than a c/c c/f line. My line is much much better than the others as villain's range actually likely has zero air on the flop given he's bet this specific board 3 ways.