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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.06 (103 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.57 (128.5 bb)
UTG: $2.49 (124.5 bb)
MP: $1.12 (56 bb)
CO: $2.20 (110 bb)
BTN: $5.26 (263 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K K
UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) T 2 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.08, MP calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.46) 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.17, MP calls $0.17, CO calls $0.17

River: ($0.97) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.24, MP raises to $0.80 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results:

Spoiler

$1.45 pot ($0.07 rake)
Final Board: T 2 8 3 6
Hero mucked K K and lost (-$0.56 net)
MP mucked and won $1.38 ($0.82 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$0.32 net)

alright guys so i'm really having a bad time losing some money on cash games zoom right now it really seems every hand i have gets blown up

i'd really like you guys to check my play here

still bet/folding on every single street since these guys may be setting me all the time on every street

when he shoves on the river like that im really assuming these fishes here have tons of hands polarized that could beat up my kings
i was really putting him into something like 66s or 79s .... more concerned on those 66s i guess

what would you guys do in my situation on that spot?


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Why are you using so small betsizes on every street?


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

i'm actually trying to keep the pot small with those bet sizes around 1/3rd of the pot


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Mikus8
Joined: 06.10.2011

Originally posted by Freddo993
i'm actually trying to keep the pot small with those bet sizes around 1/3rd of the pot

why?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would raise more preflop and try to extract more from the limpers.

With the small bets post flop you give him the reason to stay in the hand and outdraw you.
In your case we all cannot tell what is he holding- 66,33,88, 97, JJ or some crazy stupid hand.


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

because betting 1/3rd of the pot at these stakes when i'm on a '' cbet bluff '' or i am double barreling like hell, it's enough to get a fold off from them instead of risking 1/2nd of the pot when i get the same % of fold with 1/3rd

Also, using the same bet sizing when cbet bluffing / barreling or betting for value won't make my plays easy to read


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Preflop since there is 2 limpers we should bet something like 0.10 or 0.12. I think villains might be playing with very wide ranges and our ridiculously small cbet lets them chase their draws. Turn bet is ridiculously small. River bet is ridiculously small. You bet too small and let them try to improve their hands cheaply. I see no reason to try to keep the pot small when we have probably the best hand. Instead we should bet bigger for value and protection.


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

Originally posted by la55i
Preflop since there is 2 limpers we should bet something like 0.10 or 0.12. I think villains might be playing with very wide ranges and our ridiculously small cbet lets them chase their draws. Turn bet is ridiculously small. River bet is ridiculously small. You bet too small and let them try to improve their hands cheaply. I see no reason to try to keep the pot small when we have probably the best hand. Instead we should bet bigger for value and protection.

i should definately increase my betting sizes i noticed


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You should bet 2/3pot every time instead of 1/3pot.. Playing like that you allow them to chase their draws profitably and you don't get money with your value hands = your bankroll shows 0 very soon.


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

Originally posted by la55i
You should bet 2/3pot every time instead of 1/3pot.. Playing like that you allow them to chase their draws profitably and you don't get money with your value hands = your bankroll shows 0 very soon.

2/3 pot looks like a lot why not 1/2?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

'Cause you win small with that amount.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Freddo993

Originally posted by la55i
You should bet 2/3pot every time instead of 1/3pot.. Playing like that you allow them to chase their draws profitably and you don't get money with your value hands = your bankroll shows 0 very soon.

2/3 pot looks like a lot why not 1/2?

Bigger bet sizes give our opponents incorrect pot odds to continue with their draws. When we bet big they have to do more difficult decisions and when they make a wrong decision we get more money. Betting 3/4pot is quite standard too. This way we also get more information about their range. No one cares if you bet 0.08 on a 0.22 pot on the flop but if you make it 0.18 that 66 what he might have had would have folded on the flop.


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

but with 2/3rd of the pot what should your cbet success rate be?


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You have a great hand, don't try to keep the post small, make it at least 0.10 pre, bet 2/3 pot on each street, fold if they raise, print money


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Originally posted by Freddo993
but with 2/3rd of the pot what should your cbet success rate be?

This stuff is really basic and important to know, the strategy articles are probably great for you.

Cb needs to work betsize/(betsize + pot)*100% of the time. for 2/3 pot its 40%. You've got a valuehand however, you want to get called by worse


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Freddo993
but with 2/3rd of the pot what should your cbet success rate be?

When we are talking about success rates you mean pure bluff bet? With 2/3pot bet villain has to fold 40% or more for it to be profitable. Here is how to calculate fold equities: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/2305/1/


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

i'm actually having an overall of 35% success rate on cbet what do you guys think about that?


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Mikus8
Joined: 06.10.2011

Originally posted by Freddo993
i'm actually having an overall of 35% success rate on cbet what do you guys think about that?

that's because you bet to small


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I don't even understand what do you mean with cbet success rate. In which cases our cbet is successful?


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Freddo993
Joined: 12.01.2013

i mean when they fold


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