turn set into bluff in big pot?

I custom wrote it for easier read

Hero's cards: Kc Jd Jc 8c

Villain1 posts SB $0.01
Villain2 posts BB $0.02
EP $3.88 Villain3 Folds
MP $5.25 Villain4 Raise to $0.07
CO $0.77 Villain5 Folds
BTN $4.88 Hero Calls $0.07
SB $2.08 Villain1 Folds
BB $3.95 Villain2 Folds

FLOP2 Players
Th Js 5h

Pot: $0.17
Villain4 Check
Hero Bet $0.16
Villain4 Call $0.16

TURN2 Players
Th Js 5h Qd

Pot: $0.49
Villain4 Check
Hero Bet $0.36
Villain4 Raise $1.55
Hero Call $1.19

RIVER2 Players
Th Js 5h Qd 8h

Pot: $3.59
Villain4 Check
Hero Bet $3.10 (All in)

OTT, when you call, you should think about your equity, pot odds and possible bluff cards for river.

If you put your opponent to a straight (which is the case imo in here) you have 10 outs to a full house, giving you 24% equity. To call $1,19 you need to win at least (1,19 x (100:24)) 4,95. As the pot will be 3,59 OTR you need to have at least 1,50 or so as implied odds if you hit the full house. Your given reason " I call because i have some equity and cant fold the hand yet " should be improved a little bit

Once you now how much you need as implied odds, you can estimate is it probable that you will get it if river pairs the board. Also you should think about possible bluffing with flushing river too before you make the call OTT, as it affects the value of the call and should be included in the consideration.

As in vacuum, I am not sure if you have enough of a folding equity in PLO2 against the straight.

There are plenty of hand history converters on the web I personnaly use deuces cracked hand converter http://www.handconverter.com/
Pokerstrategy has its own hand converter but I don't think that it converts omaha hands.Anyway you can try it here:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-hand-converter/
That way you won't do that tedious work by yourself and your posted hands would be more readable

Thanks alot for response.

I really have a long way to go to think like a coach ♦
Kyyberi i dont have time to do all that math before i call :P, how do i calculate implied odds? is it like i just say somethinge like "yeah i'll get 1 more dollar if i hit a full house" and calculate like that?

Isnt it really weak to fold a good set before the river?

Last part about fold equity against a straight i really feel he folds even some small flushes, i never saw someone that isnt a big whale calling without a flush when it hits this far.

this is zoom btw i think players might call alot lighter

WHEN PLAYING AT THIS FOLD you not going to make a call

Originally posted by syberking
I really have a long way to go to think like a coach ♦
Kyyberi i dont have time to do all that math before i call :P, how do i calculate implied odds? is it like i just say somethinge like "yeah i'll get 1 more dollar if i hit a full house" and calculate like that?

That's why we are all learning here

Math is like any other skill. The more you do it, the better and quicker it becomes. As an extreme example, when you started playing poker (like Holdem) you probably didn't have an idea about different preflop starting hands. But you learned it, and after a while you didn't really have to think that hard if AJ was stronger than QQ or not. It became automatic. Math and some advanced poker concepts (like implied odds) can be learned too, it just takes a little more time and repetitions. As you can't do the math while playing in the table, you need to do it OUTSIDE the tables. Find any hand where you call on the turn with a draw and try to figure out:
- Do you have the odds to call?
- If you need implied odds, how much you would need?

You can post the hand here (new thread) and put your own calculations as far as you can do them. We can help you from there.

Originally posted by syberking
Isnt it really weak to fold a good set before the river?

No, if your opponent has a better hand and you don't get the odds to draw for a full house.

when u re thinking to bluff big in omaha its important to consider blocker effects (vs thinking plrs anyways), similarly as in nlhe, u having Ah OTR is important not just to regulate ur bluff freq, but mainly (much more important than in nlhe) to block the nutblockers for opponent. since if opp competent will close to 100% x to u with str8 on R flush coming, him having the Ah is crucial. most ppl would snap x/c u with Ah in their hand, on this development even Kh has decent bearing since ur range has many 2pair/(set) + Kh fd. so even him having Khxxx u ll get x/c decently more than him not having it.

so unless w read, i would not float T with intention of bluffing flush R here. on higher lims, where ppl do take notes, u d also get called like every time in the future, if u do turn every of ur possible hands here into bluff. (also there u can call T and xbeh R easy just coz most ppl will have bluffrange OTT comprised mainly of KKxx hands (w QJ/QT or fd)