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Miss-read or super-fish as villain?

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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

OK, I would like say from the begin that I have mistaken by donk the river after I miss the flush, so, the purpose of this thread is to help me to understand if Im doing progress on hand review sessions and hand reading as at moment Im intend to slowing a bit down the grinding and apply a bit more to study because apart I want go up the level asap but Im trying to catching up with the progress made in the game as I had, for personal reasons, be away for a bit to sort out few things in real life and because that I will appreciate if any1 would be so kind to help me to check into my thinking processing in the session review mode and not at the table, thanks!

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $0.84 (42 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.41 (120.5 bb)
UTG: $2.07 (103.5 bb)
MP: $1.44 (72 bb)
CO: $1.50 (75 bb)
BTN: $2.55 (127.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 7
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.04, CO folds, BTN calls $0.04, SB folds, Hero calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.13) 9 4 J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.24, MP calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.85) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, MP raises to $1.16 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.56

Results:

Spoiler

$3.17 pot ($0.21 rake)
Final Board: 9 4 J 4 7
Hero mucked 9 7 and lost (-$1.44 net)
MP showed A A and won $2.96 ($1.52 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.28 net)

MP - VPIP: 28, PFR: 3, 3B: 0, AF: 1.5, Hands: 72
BTN - VPIP: 30, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 0.0, Hands: 33

so, on the river after my very useful and unnecessary donk, I go to face a raise allin from the original raiser (mini-raise first-in preflop) and I have now to put in the pot of 2.61 another 0.56 as I donk 0.60. The BTN has fold and I need aprox 18% (17.66) equity to make the call!

Now, against the range I have slimmed down to the river I have


Board: 9♥J♣4♣ 4♦ 7♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    61.36%  59.09%   2.27% { KJs, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 54s, AcQc, KcQc, AcJc, AcTc, KcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Ac5c, 6c5c, Ac4c, AJo }
BB     38.64%  36.36%   2.27% { 9c7c }

because I thought that he will raise by he self at one point between flop/turn his top range [AA, KK, QQ] as almost protections vs the drawy board and maybe his AKs as semi-bluff due his strong equity!

Now, the problem is that I totally get it wrong because in the showdown missing his real hand from my range!

Did I made mistake or he is a fish so bad that my reading may be accurate?

Thank you! :f_smile:


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I'd check/ fold the river. As played, you have to fold, even a J beats you and he's never raise bluffing there when he shove for less than double your bet with 1 player still behind.


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kiromanAAKK
Joined: 08.10.2009

Thanks mate!
Im sure I should c/f the river but beside the hand itself, Im after the way to improve my session's review and I was wondering if any1 with a bit of more experiences may helping me to understand where(if) I made mistake in the analysis of this hand as the villain hand wasn't in the range I give to villain (I have used the w3z43l ranges). Thank you! :f_smile:


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seacat22
Joined: 10.08.2013

any range you or a coach come up with is an approximation of general population when some one differs from this it causes problems putting then on an exact hand. But that would be impossible to do with any player so we use ranges their bet sizes and patterns to determine their strength ,there are plenty of hands that have you beat,


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think that our hand is not strong enough and we don't have enough fold equity for check/raising the flop. We don't have enough fold equity because the players will cbet tighter multi-way, thus fold less often to raises. I would rather check/call and I think we could even consider donking. As played, our hand doesn't look strong enough for bet/calling. After all the action, check/folding seems right because any J beats us, as long as TT and QQ, which he might still have.


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AlphaVillain
Joined: 10.10.2014

You really need to pay more attention to your relative hand strength. You might have 2 pairs, but if a card that you don't have doubles on the board, any higher pair than your top pair(from the 2 you have) beat you. Also, if the opponent has the card that doubled, he also beats you with 3 of a kind. So when you have 2 weak pairs and a card doubles, your hand becomes generally worthless(with a few exceptions),especially multi-way.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No need to be aggressive on river. You just have a bluff catcher.


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