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Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

Hello Guys :)

Me and Xarry2 did the SSS Coaching today because Max is ill

We would like to have some constructive feedback regarding this coaching, everything that contributes to a better coaching is welcome!

As for my Soundcard and Mic: It is fixed
As for the Review: We are working on it

Cheers,
Gerv


IngolPoker
Joined: 05.09.2006

Thank you very much Gerv + Xarry!

And grats for being coach now Gerv :)


Hi Ingol,

I know you play in FTP, so I thought perhaps you could help me out with this.
Today my account was closed by FTP and my bankroll might be confiscated by them on the grounds of "use of prohibited software".

I am very worried, since they say that the use of programmes such as the Elephant and Equilator during play is NOT ALLOWED and offer grounds for account closure and bankroll confiscation.

I am completely at loss. Though I have used the elephant a few times, I still play NL10 and do not play with stats. I often use the equilator though. I did not think these programmes were forbiden and considered "cheating". I'm not even sure they could possibly know whether I use Equilator while I play or not, cause it's the only programme I have been using and still, I rarely do while I am at the tables. Do you know anything about this?

Here is a quote from the e-mail they sent me:

"Please be advised that Full Tilt Security has temporarily suspended your Full Tilt Poker account, pending a full review.

Automated systems have discovered indicators of possible account misuse, which violates the Full Tilt Poker Site Terms and End User License Agreement.

Specifically, your account is under investigation for the use of prohibited software. Please see the information below regarding our policies on prohibited programs:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/prohibited_programs

More information on prohibited programs can be found in the Full Tilt Poker Site Terms and EULA:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/site-terms
http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/end_user_license_agreement

To be clear, players on Full Tilt Poker must make their own decisions, without advice or support from software programs or algorithms. Full Tilt Poker exercises a zero-tolerance policy on the use these prohibited programs. Using such software is grounds for immediate closure of the account and forfeiture of account funds. (100% of confiscated funds are distributed back to the victims of the cheating).

1. The following types of programs are not acceptable under any circumstances:

* Automated poker-playing programs capable of participating in online poker games
* Shared hand history databases, including subscription services, and the exchange of personal databases

2. The following types of programs are not permitted during play:

* Programs that make recommendations on what to do in the current hand (e.g. fold, call, raise)
* Programs that provide assistance in making poker decisions and confer an unfair advantage over opponents

3. The following types of programs may not be allowed during play, depending on their specific use:

* Subscription services that provide extra information about opponents, such as tournament histories and statistics
* Programs that could be used for collusion between players
* Programs that provide or assist in table selection
* Poker calculators that compute poker probabilities or hand values
* Other programs that confer an unfair advantage to the user

4. Notwithstanding the above, the following types of programs are currently permitted:

* Database programs for the analysis of personal hand histories (i.e. hands in which the player is dealt cards)
* Programs that display statistical information taken from the player's personal hand histories
* Programs that assist in learning the skills of poker, provided that they are not used during play

Full Tilt Poker is committed to maintaining the fairest poker games available anywhere. We do not permit or condone any conduct that could diminish the integrity of our games. Misuse of such programs can result in a permanent loss of playing privileges, and possible forfeiture of account funds, depending on the severity of the offense."


Hi again,

SoyCD has given me some information about this type of situation, he says neither the Elephant nor the Equilator were considered ilegal by FTP (he wonders if they suddenly changed their policy). It seems this has been happening to other people. I'm waiting on an answer from FTP, and Soy said he also contacted them about this matter.

Thanks anyway and sorry for the long post.


Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

SSS Bronze Coaching 14th of December
Done by Xarry2 & Gerv

While Max was taking care of his health, we had to take care of the coaching (with pleasure). We stumbled upon some technical difficulties (mostly caused by my PC [Gerv's]) but this had all to do with the 2 soundcards I got, :).

Hopefully if there is a next time we have to substitute Ingol for any reasons, this problem is solved, forever.

Concerning the Coaching, it was the last time I play on PokerStars due lack of action we get for a coaching. FullTiltPoker and PartyPoker are the most obvious platforms to play on regarding Fish : Action ratio. ;)

I played a total of 395 hands and as you can see I played 4/3.5 which is too nitty to be true , even for a SSS player :)

Nonetheless, you should NOT be worried about the results (profit/loss) because with Perfect Play, you will earn enough to move up limits.

Now concerning the hands I played, we have found 2 interesting FreePlay hands.

Hand nr #1.

[tg]Hero$4,55:///////;BU$18,65:///////;[/tg]
0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♥, 9♥
6 folds, BU calls $0,25, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0,60) 4♥, 2♠, 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25.

Turn: ($1,10) J♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25.

River: ($1,60) 6♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0,50, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

Analysis: We can count nine outs for the Flushdraw, 3 for the King and maybe 1 or 2 for the 9 as overcard. Without the 'nine' as outs we have twelve outs in total what forces us to play passively but with the addition of one or two outs, we can play this hand as though it is a monster hand (13+ outs).

You can play either check/calling or lead out with a potsized bet. In daily SSS sessions of me and Xarry2, leading out and thus gaining iniative is our preferred play. But once again, check/calling is not bad either!

On the river, it is an easy check/fold because we only have King-high.

If I lead out my line would be: ''Bet Pot Flop and Push on a Reraise, Bet Pot Turn and Push on a Reraise, Shove River when I have TopPair or Fold accordingly''

Hand nr #2.

Known players:
[tg]Hero$4,30:///////;CO$14,80:///////;BU$26,50:///////;[/tg]
0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♠, 9♣
UTG1 calls $0,25, 4 folds, CO calls $0,25, BU calls $0,25, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1,10) 2♦, Q♣, 6♣ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG1 checks, CO checks, BU checks.

Turn: ($1,10) 7♦ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG1 checks, CO bets $0,75, 3 folds, CO gets uncalled bet back.

Analysis: Standard SSS Basic play would be just like this: check/folding till you hit 2pair++
However with a combination of literally a blank (7:d) + UTG1+CO+BU are checking behind, one can assume we can pick up the pot here with our TopPairNoKicker on the Turn. When no opponent shows strength, can we assume then we have the best if not semibest hand? Yes!

Once again, me and Xarry2 would make a bet potsized on the Turn when we encountered those opponents. We bet potsized to protect our hand against the double flushdraw and any K or A that could come.

However you should be careful not to invest your whole stack into a freeplay with just TopPairNo Kicker! Once again, playing it safe with check/folding is good but getting experiences with these plays plus a chance to get some extra big blinds does not hurt too.

I recommend that if you struggle with some freeplay hands even though you just check/folded them or played them wrong in your opinion, one should post those Hands in the Sample Hand section. Me, Ysessa and Ingol are then looking into it :)

Besides these hands many listeners asked us questions. I tried to pick out 2 very interesting questions:

1) Imagine you have AJ in the BB and the SB raises first-in. Would you ever call/raise this hand?

(To start with I would like to recommend the Steals/Resteals article in the silver strategy section. It's definetely not complete or perfect but needed as basic knowledge for a situation like this)

Usually the SHC tells us to only reraise JJ+ and AK. But why? Well, usually we only make a reraise when we are in average ahead of the opponent's range. JJ+ and AK are premium hands and against most opponents and in most situations these hands are strong enough to make profit.
The SB first-in raise against us as Shortstacked BB is however not an average situation as for example an UTG raise versus us in the BB. The SB will raise much more hands than UTG. Why? Since he has only 1 opponent left to act. UTG does not know what happens after him. with 7 players left to act he's missing much information. That's why he has to play tight. The SB however knows that 8 players already gave up and there's only 1 left to act. In addition he may know that we play SSS and are pretty tight.

What is the conclusion? Well, we can definetely reraise our standard hands JJ+/AK. But since the SB will raise much more hands than an average raiser this range is to tight. I want to illustrate this with the Equilator:

UTG raise often has: TT+,AQs+,AQo+ and sometimes AJ/99.
The Equilator shows us that:

- JJ has 52.2% Equity
- AKo has 53.3% Equity.
- TT however only 46.7% or AQs 45.6%

Thats why we usually only reraise JJ+, AK. In average! (not against every opponent) these hands make profit.

A SB first-in raiser will however raise much more. Its hard to say how much accurately without stats. Every player plays individual poker. But in average I think we can at least assume something like this:

SB first-in: 77+,A8s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo
(it's really just an estimation, can be too tight or too loose sometimes)

Key point is: the SB range is much bigger than UTG. Now we take the equilator again:

- AJo has 50.1% equity
- 99 has 50.5%

Since the SB is usually much looser we can also loosen up our reraising range. I would say AJ+/99+ in SBvsBB is very often a correct and profitable reraise in this spot.
I would not recommend to call. Especially if you are unexperienced with blind defense. The postflop situations will be more difficult if you have no initiative and weaker hands.

2) Would you just call pocket pairs with SSS?

Calling/limping small pocket pairs like 22-66 with SSS is totally different to the play as bigstack. Bigstacks just invest a very small part of their stack when they limp a pocket. If they hit a set on the flop they can usually easily extract enough value in order to compensate for the flops without set.
As a shortstack limping for one big blind is usually more than 5% of our stack. This is pretty much. In addition if we hit our set we will never get a big payout since we just have like 20BB total stack. That's why you can only limp pockets on set value in special situations.
Always fold them in early/middle position. You should also never openlimp them. But, if you are in late position and have 2 or more limpers in front of you you could also call on setvalue with 22-66. However it is important that you have more than 15BB stack and also no very aggressive palyers behind you. Every normal raise will force you to give up the pocket. Be aware of that. Its also nice if you know that there are already bad or loose players in the pot. This increases your implied odds – the money you can win if you hit your hand. These bad players will give you a payout very often thus your profit increases.

We hope you enjoyed the coaching as much as we do, leberkäsen ist töll!
Ingol, don't play SingStar when your drunk otherwise you do not have a voice the day after

Best regards,

Gerv & Xarry2


IngolPoker
Joined: 05.09.2006

will you stop making my posts look so smallish and unmotivated?

just kidding, great review :)

@dandy: my account is closed, too
I am waiting for an answer still


IngolPoker
Joined: 05.09.2006

Hi,

because my FT account is still closed Gerv will overtake my coaching today again and play on PARTYPOKER! You do not need an account to watch , but you should have the software installed :)

Greets,
Max


Hi Ingol,

I have finally received an answer from FTP. They have permanently banned me and shut down my account for "fraud" and "ilegal software use" (Equilator? i don't even use the elephant). I hope the same hasn't happened to you. I'll communicate this to SoyCd, for it seems other players from Pokerstrategy also had their accounts lost.

Dandy.


Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

Hi there :)

Since I did the Coaching with IngolPoker, I would like to have some feedback. How did it went? Did you learned anything? What can be better? etcetera

I thank you in advance and I hope that I can improve my ability to coach by this feedback

- Gerv


IngolPoker
Joined: 05.09.2006

@dandy: are you able to cash out or is your BR gone??


@ingol: They mailed me saying I could withdraw my money, but I haven't done it yet. I guess I'll switch to Partypoker.

What happened to your account?


they are suspending your accounts?


But why?

Because you play SS and they think you are a bot or what...


IngolPoker
Joined: 05.09.2006

i havent gotten any reply, so i dont know anything.....just hope to get my money ^^

btw, coaching on sunday will be on titan....everybody who guesses why gets a cookie :rolleyes:


InsidiouZ
Joined: 03.12.2008

Same @ pokerstars.


Gerv
Joined: 07.05.2008

Originally posted by IngolPoker
btw, coaching on sunday will be on titan....everybody who guesses why gets a cookie :rolleyes:

#1-> TAF Money on Titan -> You shipped some Money for SSS

#2-> FTP still locked, you shipped some moniez to Titan

I do not want a cookie, I want a new Elephant is that ok with you ? ^^ I killed the last one :P


Thanks ingol, good coachin today. You helped me understand some more things about SSS. Also i learnt about the current prices of cocaine at your dealer and how much of a fish u are heads up. Not only that i found out the secret behind pokerstrategy.com and how you became a coach.
Altogether though i think everyone enjoyed it and new people will certainly come again.

IngolPoker and pokerstrategy... Im on to you ;)


i love to have a funny coach ...i learn some things ... the bad thing is not so aplycable for me ... i am just a little bit more agresive than Ingol is ! ...whatever ...was nice


yep, it was good SSS session, but sometimes there was no comments for your actions, but there was cocaine,dealer,shit,yo talk (:


Hi. I've never been to a coaching so far. Planning to, though. So just a quick question. During live coaching does the coach tells us what cards he has so that we understand how he plays those cards or he speaks theoretically about the strategy he uses(SSS, BSS)?