[Closed] Pessimistic about SSS

solid post, Jaime

definitely agree that SSS is swingy, but it is really great for beginners as there is so less room for mistakes it is easy to multitable, clear bonuses and build BR, even when every big stack player hates it

and yes, if you have read somebody is calling c-bets light, then of course you will start betting strong hands and don't bet air until he adapts again which will mean you can c-bet lightly, etc, etc

my point is that c-beting with range like that against one opponent without stats/history/reads is profitable .. of course poker is very situation specific and there is difference between profitable general rules against "average microstakes player" and optimal play based on numerous factors

i wish my graph was like that, in a 1 and a half hour session 9 tables im down around 4 buyins. and its been down like that for ages now. the only upswing i had was 6 buyins and that was the very first hands i played. its starting to annoy me now but it seems every AA or KK is folded to me and every QQ JJ and AK is contested. Then comes people donk betting. Grr 4000 hands down 10 buyins.

Try to switch tables if they are folding too much and look at the cards carefully so they can't see them :). You want loose players at the table, track them down and get their stack :).

But don't give up. I remember playing som sessions where I was floating around zero 3 hours and then in 4 minutes I was +4 BI (100 BB stacks) thanks to good hands connecting well with board and getting paid :).

Your Balance:$21.60
This is going well
At the start of today i had $50
I might move to 0.01/0.02. Min buy in there is $1

I am not pessimistic about SSS. I am playing it on 4 tables for about 3 weeks and i did 40USD of profit.

It goes up and down all the time but in general i think that is profitable strategy.

Biggest problem is for me claring the bonus. i am playing on 4 tables 2 hour per day in average and i am only on a 7% to the bonus. I need to clear it until april 2009.

How are your experiences on clearing the bonus?

what bonus, and i mean what poker room?

What site are you clearing the bonus on? When did you start clearing it? April is far away and if you will continue doing well, you will move to higher stakes and also play more tables, so expect it to be a lot faster in near future :). If you have no poblems with playing 4 tables try to do a session with 5 tables to get comfortable with it, then 6 and so on.

I am playing at Pacific poker. I need to do 800points on the site to clear additional 100 USD of poker strategy. But it is going to slowly.

The problem is becouse i cant play 6 tables at once, because on Oacific Poker there are not more than 10 tables with my limit at a time:((

And i can move up to higher stakes when iwill have 200USD (acording to bankroll menegment)and 200 USD is for me faaar faar away:))

This is why im pesimistic.

I no longer play SSS, but when I first made the switch from FL to NL, I did.

In my first 2400 hands, I lost 18 buy ins. At 20BB per BI, thats 360BB. This was NL10, so only $36, and I had a BR of around $800 so it could stand it. I played that level to see what I could do at NL.

I couldn't see that I was making any major mistakes, beginners luck notwithstanding, so I continued.

The next 5000 or so hands, I won back 14 buy ins, so I was convinced that, variance aside, I could make a go of this.

When I switched my roll from Party to Titan, I won 24 buy ins, $120, at NL20 in 5k hands, thought I was a god, and jumped up to NL50.

First session of 340 hands, dropped 13 buy ins, and was down to my start roll again. Now, I just thought god hated me, and that's a worry, because there is no god!!

Eventually, after successfully playing the SSS up to NL200, at around 4BB/100, I switched to BSS, and have gone on from there.

But, SSS is good, profitable, and simple. Don't be crushed because of variance, and always be sure, by posting hands and other methods of study, that it is only variance, not also your bad play.

Thanks, im unsure what to do now. I have $20 left of my starting capital which is 10 buyins. Is that enough? I can always move down to Nl2 and try it there or i could do a bit of NL2 SH and just try and build my bankroll by playing some tight SH. What to do? I dont wanna lose my starting capital, i would rather build it up using proper BRM

Originally posted by Betawatchout
This is why im pesimistic.

Are you sure you were not tilting and playing accroding to chart 100% of the time? Last 1K hands looks like you started to hate life :). Try to review your session now when you had a good sleep and post some hands for analysis, members will try to help, I'm sure :).

lol hate life? not that far, i didnt tilt tho, i will look at my hands and maybe post a few. The times when i lose stupid money is whenever i get reraise with a hand like AK or JJ. They just seem to be hands that dont win often enough. As i said i dont think i tilted but i will review just to make sure.

Thanks, im unsure what to do now. I have $20 left of my starting capital which is 10 buyins. Is that enough? I can always move down to Nl2 and try it there or i could do a bit of NL2 SH and just try and build my bankroll by playing some tight SH. What to do? I dont wanna lose my starting capital, i would rather build it up using proper BRM

that's a tough one, I would move down to nl2 if I were you because you need to not get unlucky to survive with 10 buyins (i did it on full tilt nl25 ... but I wouldn't do now that I've met variance ). Variance is indeed a bitch see my graph of a beautifull nl25 session ♦ (I won't post my first nl50 graph because I erased it to avoid tilt , but it was worse than this dollar wise )

Thanks for all the support guys. I decided to do a bit of NL2 SH and clear all the fishes money there. Well this how it went ♦

cool, keep it up.

Ok, I've been playing by SSS for 3-4 days and my results have been horrible.

I'm playing strictly by the starting hands chart. I've made myself a custom theme with the chart copied onto the table.

I like SSS because it's a very simple strategy, but the reason why I'm starting to be pessimistic about it is this:

1) I raise AK, flop comes 582, opponent checks, I go allin because my cbet would be more than half my stack, he calls because he flopped a pair with his 86. I lose 20BB.

2) I raise AK, flop comes 58A, opponent checks, I go allin.., he folds because he didn't catch anything. I win 4-6BB.

Maybe I should just give up if I don't catch? Because they constantly keep check-raising me, that's ofcourse good when I have AA/KK, eventhough they keep suckouting on those too..

Maybe I'm just pissed because I've been running like sh t for the past MONTH

@ suvalgysiu

It figures that you lose on NL50 playing SSS with the beginners starting hands chart.
5.9/5.5 is to little for NL50 and you need to steal more and to defend more.

And of course you have absolutely no information from just 4k hands.
For this much hands you can only say that your win rate is between -17.03 and 1.23 big blinds/100 with 95% confidence.
So work on your game and this is the only way that you are a winning player in the long run.

Best regards,
kukkiwonBG

P.S. If you have some question from were to start improving the community is always here to help

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Originally posted by Betawatchout

Originally posted by dzejkej

Originally posted by Betawatchout
hi, im also quite pessimistic atm about SSS. Ive lost $12 in 3 days and probably played around 3000 hands. The problem could be im playing 9 tables (lol wanna clear the pokerstars bonus) but i think i have lost most my money on JJ. its a hand that according to the strategy you should never give up but i dont think i will be going broke with it as much anymore. its a bad hand most of the time and is beaten a lot.
I will try and anaylze my game a bit more over the few days and see where i could be going wrong.

3K hands is nothing, just continue playing

and I don't see problem with 9tabling if you are following the strategy and not doing mistakes - if not, then play less tables and slowly add one at a time

ok thanks- i still think the biggest problem i have is going broke with JJ but oh well.
Cheers

There's an old poker addige about three ways to play JJ. Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong.