[Closed] Pessimistic about SSS

Edit: People say 3 BB/100 is a good deal. So at NL50 you'd have to play about 1000 hands / hour to achieve a reasonable income. Can you do that? Can anyone? I honestly don't know but it doesn't sound too promising.

1k hands in 2 hours or less is possible. I played that on nl25 when elephant didn't crash all the time like now (I think is my DB). (16 tables)

now I only play like 500 hands a session, because of elephant and because I'm lazy ♦ but right now since you are starting in SSS making a lot of money is not as important as improving your game, getting discipline, dealing with downswings and all of that. So don't open 10+ tables before you are comfortable with it.

Originally posted by alejandrosh

Edit: People say 3 BB/100 is a good deal. So at NL50 you'd have to play about 1000 hands / hour to achieve a reasonable income. Can you do that? Can anyone? I honestly don't know but it doesn't sound too promising.

1k hands in 2 hours or less is possible. I played that on nl25 when elephant didn't crash all the time like now (I think is my DB). (16 tables)

At 3 BB/100 that's 3.25$ dollars an hour.

Originally posted by alejandrosh
now I only play like 500 hands a session, because of elephant and because I'm lazy ♦ but right now since you are starting in SSS making a lot of money is not as important as improving your game, getting discipline, dealing with downswings and all of that. So don't open 10+ tables before you are comfortable with it.

That's totally what I'm focusing on at the moment. I play only 4 tables. So yes I am trying to improve my game, but at the same time I'm trying to find out whether it's actually worth it. Playing 16 tables at once and playing the more or less robotic SSS at all of them doesn't sound like fun, especially not to someone with as bad multitasking skills as mine. Anyway for something I'd do for the money, it's way too little gain as it sounds.

it actually was like 1.5k hands in two hours , at 3bb/100 means $5.6 the hour , it's not so nice BUT:

a. nl25 is still a very low level and it's not ment to be a level to make a bunch of good money
b. 3bb/100 is actually quite good, I would be very happy with 2bb/100 playing 16 tables.

don't pay too much atention to how many money are you making right now at the lowest limits, toilet cleaning may be more profitable that sss on nl10 but gaining experience now will pay off in the future. more than toilet cleaning

what? thank you you frustrated my dreams about becoming a tilet cleaning pro....

I'm sorry , I didn't want to crush your dreams

Hmh. Either I'm having a lot of bad luck (doesn't seem so) or it's just plain impossible to build a bankroll using SSS. You just get eaten away by blinds. Maybe there is (very little) profit, but even if so it is so so far away from reasonable money/time levels that it ridicules the whole strategy, at least for lower blinds.

Unfortunatly at the very micro stakes there is not much left to do in order to achieve a good winrate without risking your bankroll. I assume that you don't have enough bankroll to play bss so you can give sit&go's a shot.

It's perfectly fine to be bored with sss , but the strategy is +EV . A lot of people don't like it and say BSS SH is more fun and more profitable (they are right btw ♦ )

Thanks for your advise. BSS is what I'm heading for, yes.

Edit:

Today's performance:
Win/Loss $-4.94
BB/100 -6.32
Hands: 782

- perfect play by me
- would redularly be like $-1
- 2 bad beats cost me $4

It's just hilarious. Everybody keeps saying SSS is +EV, but nobody is able to show me the maths. All I know is that some people believe it works. As I said before, it'd have to be more profitable by magnitudes in order to be worth my time. I'm going to try BSS tomorrow, regardless of bankroll. If it turns out to be a bad decision, then so be it - i defo won't waste my time with SSS and I'm only throwing away free stuff so

mmmmm if you are playing good, then keep playing, and $$$ will come...
YES, SSS IS VEERY SWINGY...

coin flips in sss happen too often, and if you cant stand losing 7 in a row... well, poker will crush you...

SSS is EV+ because you are pushing against ranges with the strongest hands, and a lot of big stacks dont know how to play against shortstacks, an you are usualy ahead.

you use a short stack because if someone calls your JJ with 44, he isnt getting the right odds to stack you with a SET (with full stacks its a "call 20", means calling if the raise is 20 times the stacks. in sss its roughly 4... so pocket pairs/suited connectors both for you and opponents are -ev). that cuts a lot of the plays a bigstack makes.

here is my lifetime graph ♦ ♦

i improved my game a lot, and you can see when i started i made a lot of expensive mistakes...
after fixing those leaks, im playing a solid SSS on NL25, a lot of variance but going up!!!

BTW
losing a stack in SSS= ok, <rebuy>
losing a stack in BSS= "OH SHHHH*****T!!!!"

thats why i like sss

edit:
AND YEAH BLINDS WILL EAT YOU!!!

if you can't win with sss at nl10 then .... It's going to be pretty hard to get your bankroll going with bss and outside bankroll. however good luck, may variance not be with you.

Originally posted by alejandrosh
if you can't win with sss at nl10 then .... It's going to be pretty hard to get your bankroll going with bss and outside bankroll. however good luck, may variance not be with you.

That sounds like you think I'm making mistakes (your use of a conditional suggests there is a condition and the only controllable conditional variable is the player). Let me reassure you that I don't. I play perfect SSS as of Bronze. If anything is wrong with my play, it's also wrong in the articles.

I'm even adding some extra gain that I shouldn't be making as a bronze player by stealing blinds. I've been keeping track and it (blind stealing) is +money, my overall with SSS is always -money. Every single time that I log in, I'm in the minus regions, mostly not just cents but dollars (at nl10).

I haven't gone BSS yet because I thought it'd be a rush to judgment on SSS, but yeah, how bad can luck get? I've yet to _ever_ make profit playing SSS.

I think you are not patient enough with the strategy, also it's very hard to play 100% perfect at sss with less than 2 weeks and without posting any hand , it's of course not imposible but kind of hard to believe.

And BSS can get pretty nasty to a begginer ( I'm a noob at BSS ) and yeah, $130 gone down in a session hurray!!! ( good thing I'm a bankroll nit)