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NL2 AKo vs 3bet

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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.93 (296.5 bb)
BB: $2.31 (115.5 bb)
UTG: $6.56 (328 bb)
MP: $2.16 (108 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.16 (158 bb)
BTN: $4.24 (212 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.21, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45) 3 5 Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.85) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.40, Hero ?????????

So what should we do with AK after calling 3bet pre? I called flop cause call pre fold flop with AK seems a bit weak.. Then he bets again only 1/2pot and I'm confused whether I should believe he has AQ or QQ+ or is he just playing AK aggressively...

Spoiler

Hero calls turn. River is Q♠:. Hero miserably tries to rep something and bets 1/3pot. Villain shoves. Hero folds and is pissed...


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You can 4 bet pre, your hand is strong enough.
We cannot call the turn.it is too expensive and there are only a few ways to win our money back.


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lkdr9494
Joined: 26.01.2012

4-bet/fold that pre-flop.
Calling puts you in a situation you never want to be.
1. His range is wide. He could be holding almost anything. You don't know where you are standing.
2. You are out of position.
My advice: try not to get in this type of situation, because you are going to make a lot of mistakes.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

4betting sounds good. But can I start 4betting always my KK+, AK? And what if villain shoves do I call with AKo? I think folding AKo vs 3bet is out of question.


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lkdr9494
Joined: 26.01.2012

You should always be 4-betting KK+, AK out of position. A 5-bet almost always means AA in NL2, so you fold your AKo if he shoves. I don't think I've seen someone make a 5-bet with less than AKo in NL2. Best case scenario for you he is holding something with at least 40% to beat you.
Another advice: don't get too attached to AKo pre-flop. Don't get to attached too QQ+ postflop. Being able to lay these kind of hands is hard since you wait hundreds of hands to get them, but sometimes you know you are dominated and have to fold.


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I think calling is much better than 4betting. IF you're going to 4bet, you can't fold to a shove... Otherwise why are you 4betting? You're hand is too strong to 4bet bluff with blockers, and 4bet/folding with a value hand and 100bb is pretty bad. However, AK isn't doing so great against an unknowns 5bet shove range. Therefore, I personally prefer a call at this level.

I'd also fold the flop, you're OOP with very little equity and some of your 6 overcard outs could very likely be dirty. (E.g. AQ, QQ, KQ, AA, KK)


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lkdr9494
Joined: 26.01.2012

You are 4betting because AK is strong but only preflop. After the cards are in the table is just another hand. You are out of position and you have no idea what villain might be holding. If you don't hit what do you do? I'd personally bet/fold it. If I get called I'm still not hitting I give it up. That's bad. If you hit you donk? He is probably going to fold if you donk. Not to mention if he sets something you lose your stack. Too many opportunities to make mistakes.

In my opinion you are giving too much value to AK. I'd rather play almost any hand at the button than AK out of position not being the pre-flop aggressor.

Simple plays -> less mistakes -> more money


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Actually when I think about it calling the 3bet and donking flop might be the cheapest way to play that hand. If he calls our donk or raises it we pretty much know where we stand. In this case if we call and donk 1/2pot we have invested 0.4€. If we 4bet we have already invested over that and if he calls and the flop is that we are screwed. If we 4bet and cbet we have invested twice that amount and we get the same info about his range than with cold calling 3bet and donking.


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churchilland
Joined: 26.01.2011

Agree with lkdr9494, never fkat call 3bet with AK, even if you hit top pair top kicker you may not win if he horded AA

AK is Ana Kurnikova, looks good but never wins anyhing


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

The problem is that at NL2 villain can 3bet even AJo or weaker or middle pocket pairs (I have seen this). By calling we can play vs his weaker hands, we just have to be very careful. If we 4bet AK,KK+ always we get only folds or play vs KK+. That would also mean that we have to have a 4bet bluff range. I would start doing this at NL10 and above.


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SirPaulius
Joined: 19.11.2009

We need to 4b here, to make sure where we stand with our hand. Calling a 3b OOP will make you loose money calling, and hitting, wount extract that much value, and on a board Axx or Kxx you might get in a big trouble.

Actually when I think about it calling the 3bet and donking flop might be the cheapest way to play that hand

You don't have to think out side the box at NL5. You will come to the flop without initiative, which probablly worst case scenario 3b pot OOP without initiative, and donking.. for my eyes, you are representing only AQ, 33, 55, which probablly you wount be donking here, I would call you with big part of my range here.

As played I would c/c flop, c/f turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The main thing is we want to play this hand with initiative when OOP in a 3 B pot.


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