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JJ flop top set, not sure what to do on river vs completed draws

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nickycakes
Joined: 10.10.2015

Hi guys, pretty new here just going through the beginners 6max course:

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $5.42 (271 bb)
BB: $2.56 (128 bb)
MP: $4.98 (249 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.26 (213 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
MP folds, CO raises to $0.07, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.21) 6 J T (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.21) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.14, BB folds, CO calls $0.14

River: ($0.49) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.34, CO raises to $1.02, Hero folds

preflop
I'm using the beginners sh strategy which tells me to use call20 with pocket pairs less than QQ pre-flop, so I called.

flop
I flop the set, and not really sure if I should bet here since I wasn't the one who raised pre-flop, so I just check hoping someone bets and then I can raise, but they all check.

turn
I bet 2/3 of the pot after not betting last time, feeling some regret for not betting on the flop. CO calling me so I'm guessing he must have some kind of draw.

river
I bet again 2/3 pot on the river, and CO raises me 3x my bet. I'm scared he has hit a flush on the river card since he only checked the flop but called the turn after a spade showed up, and then raises me on the river. Looking back I'm wondering if this wasn't a really dumb move on my part and that chances are much lower than I think that he has the flush (or a straight now that I look at it again).

I'm really new, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I would lead the flop here. The board is drawy and no need to slowplay MW, you need to build the pot. Just bet strong every street.


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rommycaRNMD
Joined: 09.05.2009

You always should lead in this type of spot. They'll call with draws overpairs and sometimes they raise with sets and you have to be prepared to play the stack. Never slowplay because you give the chance of improvement. The turn bet bigger. In this situation you have an easy fold on the turn.


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nickycakes
Joined: 10.10.2015

Thanks for the help!

Originally posted by rommycaRNMD
In this situation you have an easy fold on the turn.

Would you care to elaborate on this, specifically what my reasoning should be for folding the turn?


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rommycaRNMD
Joined: 09.05.2009

The math behind this decision it's a bit more complicated. The raport between value hands and bluff hands it' not by your side. Keep in mind that at this limit almost all the time a rise on the river is a value one.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Definitelly we should lead the flop multi-way with a set, especially on a drawy board. As played, turn and river are fine, imo.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Leading flop with our hand mw is essential. We do not give free cards and try to build the pot. We should charge all draws.
We should bet turn and river too.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by rommycaRNMD
In this situation you have an easy fold on the turn.

You mean river, right?


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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012

Why do people always check the nuts but Cbet lesser hands (air --- tptk)?


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

Originally posted by FlyingDutchm1n
Why do people always check the nuts but Cbet lesser hands (air --- tptk)?

He isnt the preflop raiser. So he cant really cbet.


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Aerox232
Joined: 28.04.2011

yep, bet flop,bet turn , fold river


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rommycaRNMD
Joined: 09.05.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by rommycaRNMD
In this situation you have an easy fold on the turn.

You mean river, right?

Yes river!


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Volrath89
Joined: 23.07.2008

I'd bet potsize the flop and potsize the turn (maybe even overbet/shove the turn depending on stacks behind, it's NL2)

As played easy river fold


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Both folding and calling seem ok.


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