Full House VS Possible better river full house

Check calling is fine ( u have a good bluff catcher). Villain might also be value betting As on river.

Bet bigger on flop and turn, fold river.

We could bet bigger OTT. Villain will bet some flushes and pocket pairs here so I think check call is fine OTR.

You need to win less than one time in four. Trivial call.

Also, there is absolutely no need to bet bigger on the turn. Why? For protection? Ridiculous. You want hands to stay, not go out. Chasers (with a K) have two outs.

He does not want them to fold but to charge them more for staying.

Originally posted by nitrol
He does not want them to fold but to charge them more for staying.

Sure, but a FD will likely not be willing to pay more than that, so OTT looks fine to me. OTF bet should be more like 8BB I believe. Clear call OTR for the reason YohanN7 has stated.

Originally posted by YohanN7
You need to win less than one time in four. Trivial call.

Also, there is absolutely no need to bet bigger on the turn. Why?

A full house is a good hand and we'd like to win a big pot. A high spade is never folding to any size of turn bet so why not get the max?

No one has mentioned to OP that we should really be playing 100BB+ deep as well.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by YohanN7
You need to win less than one time in four. Trivial call.

Also, there is absolutely no need to bet bigger on the turn. Why?

A full house is a good hand and we'd like to win a big pot. A high spade is never folding to any size of turn bet so why not get the max?

No one has mentioned to OP that we should really be playing 100BB+ deep as well.

Not sure that is an option at 888.

888 fast tables only allow 50BB and all other tables are FR.

*makes a note to not sign up at 888*

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by YohanN7
You need to win less than one time in four. Trivial call.

Also, there is absolutely no need to bet bigger on the turn. Why?

A full house is a good hand and we'd like to win a big pot. A high spade is never folding to any size of turn bet so why not get the max?

No one has mentioned to OP that we should really be playing 100BB+ deep as well.

A big spade, not to mention any big spade not being the A♠: should not be calling anything substantial really. In addition, the board is paired and a flush card on the river would be just so so obvious. There are no implied odds whatsoever drawing at a flush for villain. Just be happy to have someone call a half-pot bet, which is a mistake with a naked Q♠: or less (possibly even with A♠: ) for the reasons stated.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not the "milking slowplaying" type of guy. I bet and raise my nut hands, but here the board doesn't allow for someone calling a big bet without holding 44/KK. Remember, you want them to call, and you desperately want to see a on the river so that you can stack them. Even a smaller bet may be optimal.

Originally posted by YohanN7
A big spade, not to mention any big spade not being the A♠: should not be calling anything substantial really.

There are lots of things NL2 players do that they shouldn't. You really think your average NL2 player is folding the nut flush draw?

Originally posted by Lathdari

Originally posted by nitrol
He does not want them to fold but to charge them more for staying.

Sure, but a FD will likely not be willing to pay more than that, so OTT looks fine to me. OTF bet should be more like 8BB I believe. Clear call OTR for the reason YohanN7 has stated.

How did you decide that? Ax, Qx FDs can pay.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by YohanN7
A big spade, not to mention any big spade not being the A♠: should not be calling anything substantial really.

There are lots of things NL2 players do that they shouldn't. You really think your average NL2 player is folding the nut flush draw?

Perhaps/perhaps not, but they might fold a Q high or 2 high or whatever-high flush draw that they (by the same token) would call a gentler bet with (because they are NL2 players). We are playing against a range.

Combo draws are paying too.

Bet bigger on the flop. I like the turn bet, 1/2 pot is about right.

OTR, easy check call. You have a nice bluff catcher. As well on the off chance he has a hand like As3x (high spade with a 3) he will probably value bet the river. Not much point in betting yourself though.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Lathdari

Originally posted by nitrol
He does not want them to fold but to charge them more for staying.

Sure, but a FD will likely not be willing to pay more than that, so OTT looks fine to me. OTF bet should be more like 8BB I believe. Clear call OTR for the reason YohanN7 has stated.

How did you decide that? Ax, Qx FDs can pay.

For the reasons stated by YohanN7 at 10:39.

I already gave you my reasons.

Originally posted by Lathdari
For the reasons stated by YohanN7 at 10:39.

No disrespect to YohanN7 but they're not valid reasons. The games aren't so tough that we should be giving NL2 unknowns enough credit to assume they're thinking about implied odds and folding the nut flush draw for anything less than a PSB!