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diminem99
Joined: 06.04.2015

Hi everyone,

With the possible flush on the turn and river, how would you play it?
On the river I decide to bet to prevent a bluff and get some info. If he raises I am folding of course.

Should I have just checked and called a small bet?

By the way, preflop I am only calling because UTG is pretty loose and fishy and has been raising many hands so I want to see a flop cheaply and try to catch him with a descent hand.

PokerStars - €0.89+€0.11|50/100 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 26.04 BB
UTG: 61.7 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 29.09, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 56)
MP: 12.16 BB (VPIP: 10.91, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
CO: 12.05 BB (VPIP: 8.93, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
BTN: 15.8 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
SB: 7.25 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 1.89, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♦

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) 2♠ 9♠ K♦
Hero checks, UTG bets 2 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) T♠
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 4 BB


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heltucosta
Joined: 11.11.2009

I would like to 3 bet pre-flop here since you have a good hand against both player, because the CO must be opening his range with the size of his stack. This would send a message to the BB he won't have uncontested pots in your BB, but you should think about a shove from the CO, if you would pay it or not.

On the flop I would bet this board, by checking and letting the UTG bet, you have no new information about the strength of his hand. Since you have probably the best hand here, only losing to AK which is unlikely, seems like the best play.

If called on the flop, I would check all the way trying to pot control and preserve my stack because you're the second big stack.


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diminem99
Joined: 06.04.2015

Hi Heltucosta and thanks for the useful analysis!

I don't really know why I didn't bet this board but looking back at it I should have definately bet for value here.

Also that river bet was actually terrible because any Spades or TPTK+ would have called me I think and he would not have called with worse anyways!


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

My main issue is your bet on the river to 'prevent a bluff', betting so he can't bluff is not a reason to bet. I know some people say you can block bet the river but there's nothing stopping him from just raising you.

OTR, you have 3 options, bet (bluff), x/c (bluff catch) or x/f.

Bluffing doesn't really make sense, I don't see him folding many better hands.

Bluff catching or x/f just comes down to a read. Against an unknown I'd probably just x/f.


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heltucosta
Joined: 11.11.2009

Yeah, the river is a little awkward... I would check/call depending on his bet size. I believe that a bet of 5BB or less I would call.

He is playing a lot of hands and seems agressive. your actions shows you're afraid of the flush and he probably would have read that, but with a total bluff he wouldn't bet much more than half the pot.


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diminem99
Joined: 06.04.2015

Thanks for the replies!


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

Hi

First I don't like your call pre, Playing KQo OOP is not great, especially against 2 players. So raise or fold .
UG seems fairly aggressive (although we have a very small sample), so it looks like a great spot to squeeze IMO, I make it around 9bb. UTG will have to fold a tonne of his range and BTN will fold a decent amount

As played donk the flop or raise such a small bet! take the initiative and often take the pot., if you get resistance, give up very often unless you have a read.

As played OTT, I don't think the check is that bad.but a donk is not out of the question as well.

As played, I don't like your bet. You have 2 solutions wanna rep a big hand or wanna bluff catch. By betting small you rep a weak and hand (and you have a weak hand)

I much prefer if you bet close to pot there c/c or c/f even if hte betting size makes you think he has got it.

Edit:

did not see the stack sizes:

raise 8 or 9bb pre (fold to a re-raise) and on that flop shove! easy game


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diminem99
Joined: 06.04.2015

Hi Thazar and thanks for the reply!

Awesome analysis indeed.

I don't feel comfortable playing 3bet pots from the BB with mid strength hands, but I think it is a play I will experiment from time to time.

Thanks again for the feedback!


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