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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Had a deep run in The Goldfish at 888 tonight, finishing 45th out of 1,289 for $3.59. Wasn't really worth it to put four and a half hours in for that.

Also played another 8-game, because there weren't any HORSE tournaments within my price range at a good time for me. It went a bit like the last one, with another finish a few places short of the ITM ranks. I got eliminated in the FL Hold'em section, where I first got extremely lucky to triple up when I had to go all-in with my super short stack, but then lost it all with KK in the next hand. Flop was KTx, with one of opponent's having an OESD with QJ, which materialized on the river.

2-7 Triple Draw actually went fine for once in the earlier rounds, but I lost some big pots in there again in the later ones.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Some may have heard about my 4th place finish in an 8-game MTT for around $17 the other day. Honestly, I don't think there was much to say about that one, except that managed to run my stack up from 1k to around 25k during the 2-7 Triple Draw section, then back to 1k again during Fixed Limit Hold'em, and finally back to 25k again during Fixed Limit Omaha Hi-Lo.

I remember one particularly expensive hand during the Razz part, where I was dealt A23 in the beginning, and then ended up losing a big pot with A2389 vs A2379. But I was also able to win big pots myself when it mattered, which was good, because I didn't seem to be on top of my game at times.

Mixed Mahjong tournaments
Freeroll winnings: $10.30
Paid-entry tournament profit: $55
Total profit: $65.30

Another cash in the $1.10 HK rules tournament.

I actually didn't even win a single hand after the first round. In the semi-final, I was tied for 2nd place and only managed to advance because I was selected by the RNG, and in the final, I ended up having to share 3rd place with another player for $9.30. This one was very close, and one more tile in the last hand could have earned me 1st place, but after being randomly selected to advance to the final, I don't really have any reason to complain about bad luck.

Just barely missed a mincash in the Chinese Official rules freeroll, but I did manage to pick up my first ever 'Full Flush' in this game. If you know how hard it can be at times to get a flush with five cards in poker, imagine having to do it with fourteen or more tiles.

Here it is:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Wow -- I had a seven-flush in Holdem once. Villain had one two, which means that 9 of the 13 hearts were in play.
I've never seen a 3-way seven-flush, but I'm sure they happen.

Nice hand, and well done in the 8-game!
VS


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Cheers, V!

Mixed game MTTs will remain my format of choice for the time being, just a couple of them in the evening. So hopefully, there will be some more deep finishes to report.

Didn't play any poker or Mahjong at all yesterday. Instead, I did something I should have done a long time ago - I finally made a trip to the forest. Such a beautiful place during fall, it really is almost criminal that I didn't find any time for it so far.

I got a bit of a welcome gift over there when I decided to take a "shortcut", which somehow landed me right in the middle of some kind of bramble maze (I'm talking about those thorny twigs, is that what they're called?). I had to crawl in the prone position at times to get out of it, and judging by the length of the songs I heard on my MP3-player, I must have been stuck in there for about 15 minutes. But that's all part of the beauty of nature.

Anyway, back to business. Now that my Mahjong bankroll seems healthy enough, I think I can afford to take a few more risks. For one thing, I decided to reg for a big monthly $10 Jap Riichi tournament which will take place on December 6. Also, since I have been neglecting the cash games a bit recently, I plan to add some Kansai Riichi games. It's a special format of Mahjong which is almost identical to the Japanese version, but it's played with a stripped deck and three instead of four players. There are also some minor rule differences to accommodate to these changes. I guess you could compare them to 6-max Turbos in poker.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Finished 15th out of 197 in the 8-game tonight for $4.53. That was the only tournament I played.


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Jakkosh
Joined: 29.07.2013

Hey Harrier,
Seems with the few mixed tournaments you have been doing in the evenings you have been running deep alot! It seems that they suit you, shame there isnt more of them about.
Your bramble maze situation made me laugh xD I used to live near a huge woodland so I know how you feel lol.
I heard you mention a while back you were going to start job hunting soon, how is that going?

:gl: with your mahjong and mixed tourney journey, its an interestingly unusual journey to be on! Ill be following as always:s_thumbsup:


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Honestly, I love the forest. I used to go there a lot more often, but like I said, I rarely found the time to do it recently, and with nightfall arriving sooner and sooner each day, it's not going to get any easier. Five years ago, I once actually got lost in the middle of the woods at night, which was a bit scary.

About the job hunting, I'm afraid I have been procrastinating a lot. I was determined to get on with it a few weeks earlier, but then the laptop accident happened, and I completely forgot about it all by the time I got my computer back.

Hopefully, I can finally get a move on next week. My replacement keyboard isn't there yet, and when it arrives, I might have to give the laptop away again for while, possibly causing another delay. But let's stop making excuses, let's just say right now that I will have results by the end of the week.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Another final table in the 8-game. This time, I finished 5th out of 95 for $12.35. I entered the FT as a hopeless shortstack, but then managed to suck out with KJ against AK during the NL Hold'em section, then got a chop pot with A6 against A8 in the very next hand, and went to double up during the PLO part as well. This was enough to get me to 5th place, but not any farther.

Other 8-game or HORSE players might be familiar with the hilarious situation where you miss the change from Razz to Stud Hi and go all-in with a garbage hand. This time, I actually had the opposite problem once. I folded a perfectly playable hand (A56, with 5 showing) towards the end of the Razz part because I thought Stud Hi had already begun. I was probably thrown off because I was asked to do the Bring-in with my 5, after which I folded to a raise and a call by the players to my left who both had 4 showing, thinking to myself "oh well, too bad this isn't Razz anymore... (fold) ...wait a minute, this is Razz!".

I also played a Badugi tournament at the same time, with no success. Maybe this wasn't the best choice, because it can be difficult to concentrate on both, especially when the format during the 8-game is either completely different (e.g. PLO) or deceptively similar (e.g. 2-7 Triple Draw) to Badugi.

Kansai Riichi cash games
Form: 2nd, 2nd, 3rd
Profit: -$1.07

Not so great results in here so far. I did make a slight profit in the first two games, but the loss in the third one wiped it away again. It is common in these games to end up in a situation where one player is a long way behind the other two, partially because he is forced to take risks to catch up once he falls behind, which often lead to more losses and a bigger gap. In the third game, I was this player. But it is worth it, even necessary, to take these risks. There are plenty of rare, but possible hands in Riichi Mahjong that are pretty much the equivalent to the Golden Snitch from Harry Potter.

Also, I don't think I ever explained how Mahjong cash games even work. This is how it goes, at least for the Japanese/Kansai version, which is the only one that has any traffic anyway:

Each player receives a certain amount of starting points (think of it as their stack) and play continues until either a certain number of rounds is over or until one player loses all of their points. You will then get paid based on your rank. At the moment, for example, I play the $1/2 games. In those, the payout goes like this:

Japanese Riichi
1st $1
2nd $0.50
3rd -$0.50
4rd -$1

Kansai Riichi
1st $1
2nd $0
3rd -$1

This is only half of the prize pool, though. The other half is based on your stack size. Basically, your stack is worth as much as the 1st place payment (or the last place loss). This means that in the $1/2 games, you would lose another $1 dollar if you lost all of your points, win $1 on top of your place finish if you manage to double your points, win an extra $0.50 if you earn half a stack, etc. However, this is also the part where rake comes in, so your cash winnings are not completely equivalent to your points winnings.

In a $1/2 game, the $1 is called the "bet" (value of your stack), and the $2 is called the "max loss" (amount you have to pay in case you finish last and lose all of your points). A player can only join a game if their account has enough money to cover the max loss.

I hope that makes sense to you, but feel free to ask if it didn't.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Kansai Riichi cash games
Form: 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd
Profit: -$6.14

Mixed Mahjong tournaments
Freeroll winnings: $10.30
Paid-entry tournament profit: $53.90
Total profit: $64.20

Mahjong today was a complete disaster, seemed like I couldn't put a foot right all day.

There will be one more Chinese Official rules freeroll tonight, I'm not sure yet if I will be playing.

But with results as poor as this, I'm afraid I'll have to drop Kansai Riichi cash games from my repertoire again, after such a short time. Pity... but here's a picture of Kansai International Airport instead:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
Maybe this wasn't the best choice, because it can be difficult to concentrate on both, especially when the format during the 8-game is either completely different (e.g. PLO) or deceptively similar (e.g. 2-7 Triple Draw) to Badugi.

I once played a NL 2-7 single draw tournament at the same time I was playing a NL 5-Card Draw tournament.
You would be astounded at how often I got the two mixed up.

Well, no, you probably wouldn't.

Peace,
VS


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I once played a NL 2-7 single draw tournament at the same time I was playing a NL 5-Card Draw tournament.
You would be astounded at how often I got the two mixed up.

Well, no, you probably wouldn't.

I've never been in that exact situation, but you're right, I can imagine how easy it is to mix these up.

Yesterday was one of those days where nothing seemed to work out. I already mentioned how poorly the Mahjong went, and I didn't have any success at Poker either. I did have a promising run in the 8-game, which ended with a classic KK<AA all-in preflop during the NL Hold'em section.

Another thing I tried was playing $3.30 satellites for the big daily HORSE and 8-game tournaments. Actually, Pokerstars Pro Martin Hruby (AABenjaminAA) had the same idea tonight when he joined the HORSE sat. So far, I didn't make it. Playing these games is a bit aggressive as far as BRM is concerned (my bankroll is at $285 now, after I invested $50 in a staking deal), but since I don't play anything else at the moment, and I'm a recreational player anyway, I thought I could give it a go. I'm not sure yet for how long.

There was one success tonight, by the way, in a Badugi tournament. I finished 6th out of 56 for $6.16.

Also, I had another idea. Considering that Omaha Hi-Lo tends to be one of my better games during mixed game tournaments, I wondered if I could do all right at the cash games as well. I only played one short session today when I was waiting for the satellites to begin, but I did in fact like it so far.

This idea might be crazy enough to work. After so many failed experiments with different formats, I might as well add another one - what's there to lose?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
This idea might be crazy enough to work. After so many failed experiments with different formats, I might as well add another one - what's there to lose?

Money?

I've been playing PL $0.05/$0.10 5-Card Draw 7-A
In this game the 2-6 is stripped out, and you play with the rest.
(the 6s are added back when there are 5 players)

2-pair is commonplace, and trips are almost as common.
I see lots of quads, too.
A couple of wrinkles:
A flush beats a full house. This takes getting used to. If you hold 4 cards, you have the same number of outs for each, but the flush seems much harder to get.
A straight can be T987A if you're playing 4-handed or less, but it can be 9876A 5-handed.

I finally re-worked all my 5-Card Draw odds charts for this game, and I'm just playing the odds, with the odd bluff now and again. So far, I'm doing fairly well.

The game only exists on Canada's provincial government site, and only has tables in the afternoons, so I'll never get rich specializing...

I do seem to enjoy the oddball games, though

<sigh>
VS


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by Harrier88
This idea might be crazy enough to work. After so many failed experiments with different formats, I might as well add another one - what's there to lose?

Money?

Well, obviously, but it doesn't matter if I blow my money there or in any other game.

I believe we've been talking about 5CD 7-A on Skype once. The rule change of the flush beating the full house also exists in Manila Poker, which is a Hold'em variant that is played with the same stripped deck. The reason for this is that with only 8 cards of each suit, flushes become a lot more rare.

For a similar reason, some variants of Five Card Stud introduce the four-card straight and flush, which are located between one pair and two pair in the hand ranking. Full straights and flushes are simply too rare in this game under standard rules.

Back in school, we sometimes had to play Hold'em with 7-A as well, because Skat, the national card game, also uses a 32 card deck, and people would often only carry around Skat decks when we were looking for some playing cards. Of course, I was not familiar with Manila Poker back then, so we had to play using standard Hold'em rules, and we were left scratching our heads because of the abundance of monster hands, especially straights.

Incidentally, I still have no idea how to play Skat. It has the most inane way of ranking cards I have ever seen, I think it goes like 7<8<9<Q<K<T<A<J, and the stuff people say during the initial bidding round is all gibberish to me. My father actually used to be a semi-serious Skat player back in the day, though. I guess he played this game on about the same level I'm playing poker now.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

I probably should have mentioned at one point that the Omaha Hi-Lo Zoom games I'm currently grinding are played in a no limit format. That alone takes some time getting used to, because I only ever played Omaha as a fixed limit or pot limit variant.

Since I don't have any kind of tracking software for these games, and I've been playing some tourneys and satellites with the same bankroll, it's a bit hard to keep track of my progress, but by the looks of it, I seem to have won a few buy-ins. Not too many, though, so I'm probably doing only slightly better than breaking even.

Recently, these games have felt a bit like my last attempt at grinding NL5 Hold'em. And that's not a good sign. Then again, I can't really blame the games for that. I believe the problem lies in the "Zoom mentality", where quantity is chosen over quality, and you keep the grind going just for the sake of keeping the grind going.

So will I keep playing them? Meh, I guess I might as well...
But I'll probably drop the HORSE and 8-game satellites. I just don't seem to have the edge to make them worthwhile, especially considering that I would intend to play the actual tournaments if I ever won a seat.

Mixed Mahjong tournaments
Freeroll winnings: $11.80 (+$1.50)
Paid-entry tournament profit: $82.50 (+$28.60)
Total profit: $94.30 (+$30.10)

Okay, I will include the amount I've won or lost on each day in brackets from now on to make things a bit more clear.

As you can see, today went really well once again. I managed to tie for 3rd place and a $1.50 prize in the Hong Kong rules freeroll after some poorly planned moves on the final table, and went on to ship the $1.10 Hong Kong rules tournament for $29.70 thanks to one very lucky draw. Not a very impressive performance really, but a win is a win.

Hey, did you know that "Hong Kong" literally translates to "fragrant port" or something?


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by Harrier88
So will I keep playing them? Meh, I guess I might as well...

A little update on this:

I just had a look at the lobby, and noticed that NLO8 Zoom has literally no traffic whatsoever for any limit higher than $0.01/0.02.

So unless I want to keep grind NL2 forever, there really is no point in keeping this up.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Just got another 2nd place in a Badugi tournament, winning $22.57.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

I've been experimenting with some different cash game formats in the past few days. Didn't really find anything that sticks yet, but we're getting there.

Meanwhile, I keep donking around in those mixed games tourneys. I won a satellite to the Daily PL Five Card Draw tournament today, but only managed to finish 29th out of 60, which obviously missed the ITM ranks.

Mixed Mahjong tournaments
Freeroll winnings: $14.35 (+$2.55)
Paid-entry tournament profit: $81.40 (-$1.10)
Total profit: $95.75 (+$1.45)

No success in the $1.10 HK rules tournament this time, I couldn't get anything going in the semi-final. The freeroll went better, where I reached the final table with ease. One guy at the FT was miles ahead after a short time, but 2nd place seemed almost guaranteed for me, until that very last hand, which dropped me all the way back to 4th for $1.30.

I also finished 2nd in tonight's Chinese Official rules freeroll for $1.25. The tiles just kept coming all day long, except for that second round, where I got a bit too greedy at one point, which has probably cost me 1st place. Can't complain, though.


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Harrier88
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We're still waiting for me to ship my first Badugi MTT, but I did manage to get another 2nd place for $22.20 just now.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
We're still waiting for me to ship my first Badugi MTT, but I did manage to get another 2nd place for $22.20 just now.

Nice going! Do I detect a specialty emerging?
I cashed in the Saturday Weekly round 2. No mere min cash either. (2nd tier :) )

Best of luck,
VS


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Nice going! Do I detect a specialty emerging?

Quite possibly, if you consider losing heads-up a specialty.

In all seriousness, it does help that this is a pot limit tournament. People can easily get attached to their hands in Badugi, and if you watch them closely, it can be easy to detect when they have a high (bad) Badugi or a busted draw. You can win some big pots this way, while in fixed limit, you are much more dependent on the luck of the draw, which can be problematic in this game. Skillful players can still win by credibly representing strong hands in the right situations, which is something I was never very good at. That's also one of the reasons why all of my experiments with Badugi cash games have been quite disastrous.

Unfortunately, the only PL Badugi tourneys on Stars seem to be the astronomer freeroll, which I'm not too keen on (congrats on the win, though) and the one I tend to play, which is still at a slightly awkward time for me, since it starts shortly before midnight, and a successful run can last until 3AM.

Incidentally, I lasted precisely one hand in tonight's tournament...


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