[OFFICIAL Support Thread] ICMIZER 2 - SNG analysis tool & SNG coach

Originally posted by QuarkJacks
Hello,

So yesterday i wanted to buy license for 1 month sub ICMIZER 2 PRO, but there are all the time problems with my cards and paypal payment method. And my cards is all right and fine, its your payment system that doesnt accept it. After i tryd all cards i put money in the paypal but guess what? You cant even pay with paypal balance it only provides to pay with card trought paypal... and again nothing works. I asked two of my friends to try and buy key for me and they had the same problems. I wanted to know is it possible for me to buy this programm? Is there any alternatives?

Thank you.

Same here

Originally posted by dddq8842
Hi,

After I import hands from tournament what does push with vpip mean?

Hi. That's just a category this hand falls into. I believe it means that there was some vpip action, like raise or limp, but there were no all-ins before hero.

They didnt realy help me at all. Is there any other solution?

Hello,
The only thing we really know is that the credit card declined the charge. They do not provide any more information than this. It can be for any of the following reasons:

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With 1, or 2, you can try to submit the order again. With 3 or 4, you will probably need to call your credit card company and ask them why the charge was declined.

I do apologize for any inconvenience. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Beth Thorpe
FastSpring Support Specialist

Hi,

I found some curiosities regarding the Sng Coach.

77 should be a snapcall. So I looked it up in HRC and I was right. The difference between ICMIZER 2 and HoldemRessourceCalculator seems to be huge.
What model is the coach using ? Do I miss something ?
Both, HRC and ICMIZER 2, used 65/35 payout structure. No Future game simulations.
But why is there such a huge difference ? For me it seems that the coach is not helpfull at all.

Originally posted by bencb
Hi,

I found some curiosities regarding the Sng Coach.

Spoiler

77 should be a snapcall. So I looked it up in HRC and I was right. The difference between ICMIZER 2 and HoldemRessourceCalculator seems to be huge.
What model is the coach using ? Do I miss something ?
Both, HRC and ICMIZER 2, used 65/35 payout structure. No Future game simulations.
But why is there such a huge difference ? For me it seems that the coach is not helpfull at all.

Hi. Currently all SNG Coach hands use FGS on.

I've checked this spot and everything is correct. With FGS on 77 is a negative call.

I checked it in HRC too and it showed the same results, BUT it seems that ICMIZER used a simulation depth of 1 for the FGS. That makes our ranges in this spot obviously tighter. If you use a simulation depth of 2, 77 and even 66 become a clear call. You can not use the same simulation depth of 1 for every spot. That makes our ranges almost every time tighter when our next position is NOT the BB even though we can call/push way looser. In my opionion it falsifies our ranges tremendously.

What is the support E-mail ? Cant find one.

Hello ?? Nice support....

Hi bencb

Sorry for late response.
The support email is: support@icmpoker.com
ICMIZER currently supports FGS depth 1 only.

Hello

When i play a Mtt on 888 which normally got from 100 to 300 Players how can i make a calculation before the Pricemoney with Icmmizer?

is it correct to choose a Pokerstars Mtt with 180 Players (because little bit equal) and then choose Chip EV to get the correct Outcome?

i just want to make a Calculation wether or not calling/pushing reshove is correct in Chip-EV how can i do this?

thx Tony

(y)

I just analyzed a standard PoF Spot (SB first in) and compared the ICMizer 2 results to the HRC results ->

ICMizer 2:

HRC:

SB Shoving and BB Calling Range are exactly the same, but the BB EV numbers clearly deviate (for example AA got + 4,19 BB EV according to ICMizer and + 4,61 BB EV according to HRC). I used chipEV calculation without FGS at both calculators. How's that possible?

Originally posted by PaetrickSeiMurda
I just analyzed a standard PoF Spot (SB first in) and compared the ICMizer 2 results to the HRC results ->

ICMizer 2:

Spoiler

HRC:

Spoiler

SB Shoving and BB Calling Range are exactly the same, but the BB EV numbers clearly deviate (for example AA got + 4,19 BB EV according to ICMizer and + 4,61 BB EV according to HRC). I used chipEV calculation without FGS at both calculators. How's that possible?

Hi. This looks like a bug in HRC to me. I recommend to ask them.
You can check how the actual calculation is performed by clicking AA detailed results in ICMIZER (this detail isn't available in HRC IIRC).

Originally posted by Grisuuu
Hello

When i play a Mtt on 888 which normally got from 100 to 300 Players how can i make a calculation before the Pricemoney with Icmmizer?

is it correct to choose a Pokerstars Mtt with 180 Players (because little bit equal) and then choose Chip EV to get the correct Outcome?

i just want to make a Calculation wether or not calling/pushing reshove is correct in Chip-EV how can i do this?

thx Tony

Hi Tony.

If you are using a Chip EV calculation, then the actual active tournament type is pretty irrelevant, all it does is control the list of blinds to select from.
However, you really should be using ICM calculations and for that you would need to create the new tournament with the corresponding payout structure for your tournament (Create a new button in the tournament selector window).
You can learn more about MTT ICM calculations here:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/mtt-icm-calculator/

thx Valentin

Originally posted by Qicmizer
Hi. This looks like a bug in HRC to me. I recommend to ask them.

Just quickly checking by hand it looks like the 4.61BB are correct:

AA vs "62.3%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 86s+ 76s"

AA_Equity: 85.334%
AA_Called: 59.183%

Pot_Called = 6*Antes + 2*14419c = 30038c
To_Push = 14419c-SB-Ante = 13219c

EV_BBFold = 8*Ante + SB + BB = +4600.00c
EV_BBCall = AA_Equity * Pot_Called - To_Push = +12413.63c

EV Overall = EV_BBFold * (1-AA_Called) + EV_BBCall * AA_Called = +9224.341c = +4.612BB

This has to be a display issue of some kind, otherwise the ranges wouldn't match.

Edit: The ICMizer results are different by exactly factor 1.1, it looks like you are dividing by 2200 chips (BB+Ante) instead of 2000 chips maybe?

Originally posted by plexiq

Originally posted by Qicmizer
Hi. This looks like a bug in HRC to me. I recommend to ask them.

Just quickly checking by hand it looks like the 4.61BB are correct:

AA vs "62.3%, 22+ Qx+ J2s+ J5o+ T4s+ T7o+ 95s+ 97o+ 86s+ 76s"

AA_Equity: 85.334%
AA_Called: 59.183%

Pot_Called = 6*Antes + 2*14419c = 30038c
To_Push = 14419c-SB-Ante = 13219c

EV_BBFold = 8*Ante + SB + BB = +4600.00c
EV_BBCall = AA_Equity * Pot_Called - To_Push = +12413.63c

EV Overall = EV_BBFold * (1-AA_Called) + EV_BBCall * AA_Called = +9224.341c = +4.612BB

This has to be a display issue of some kind, otherwise the ranges wouldn't match.

Edit: The ICMizer results are different by exactly factor 1.1, it looks like you are dividing by 2200 chips (BB+Ante) instead of 2000 chips maybe?

Hi plexiq!
Indeed, we divide by BB+ante ante in ICMIZER for Chip BB EV display. The ranges match, so I also thought it must be a display issue
I decided to divide chips by BB+ante, because practically that's the actual blind bet size.
Guess that's not players expect, is that right?

We can fix this, unless majority also thinks that we should divide by BB+ante.
Any feedback regarding this issue is welcome.

Hey ICMIZER,

I found a couple of questions about supported sites but I don't have the big picture yet... could you share a list of supported sites/networks, please?

Hello.

What is ICMizer considering in addition to Pokerstrategy's Equilab?
What about in addition to All In Expert?

My question popped up after analysing this hand:

I'm sorry if these questions have already been answered. If there have been, just link me there.
Thank you,
Teodor.

hello

does make sense to use FGS nash or just NASH for spins? whats the difference between the two?

Hey,

I have icmizer 2 pro and have a question.
Which structure do I use for $5.10 hyper turbo tournament Chip Ev calculation?
How can I create my own tournament If I've closed the tournament already?

Thanks.