Skip to forum
Notifications
Clear all

NL50 zoom AKs

8 Posts
6 Users
0 Reactions
102 Views
KoeNe4U
Joined: 20.11.2009

I did not feel comfortable in this hand and wonder what you guys think? In general I like to change things up preflop with AK and QQ IP, sometimes I 3bet/shove them, sometimes I 3bet/call them, but by calling it makes postflop play harder and I am experimenting with things.

Because we are deeper here and I am in position I did not want to jam this hand preflop. On the flop I was thinking about the fact that villain could also bet/fold AK on a flopshove of mine, meaning we would make an extra profit compared to 3bet/shove preflop, because he would call off with AK in that case. If we walk against AA or KK, there would be no difference compared to when we put it all in preflop so it doesn't matter. I'm curious about your thoughts of 3bet/call AK preflop and shove low flops...

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 157.18 BB
SB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 24.92, PFR: 18.28, 3Bet Preflop: 8.47, Hands: 634)
BB: 115.6 BB (VPIP: 28.22, PFR: 20.86, 3Bet Preflop: 11.72, Hands: 670)
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 10.19, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 111)
MP: 129.6 BB (VPIP: 20.20, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 4.60, Hands: 202)
CO: 121.44 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 17.87, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 211)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ A♠

fold, MP raises to 3.1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP raises to 21.5 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Flop: (44.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦ 4♦ 2♠
MP bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

Turn: (80.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (80.5 BB, 2 players) K♦
MP bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

Spoiler

MP shows A♣ 9♣ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 29%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows K♠ A♠ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 71%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 125.5 BB


Reply
Quote
7 replies
duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

Preflop I like your play, 3bet/calling AKs BTN vs MP, especially 130bb deep. We are doing fine against his 3bet calling, and 4betting range as well, but not so fine against a 4bet/broke range, so I think this is the best line.

I'm not sure about postflop, but I would definitely call cbet vs this sizing. I don't like shoving, because
- we don't really have hands that play like this for value
- it's still a big overbet, so we risk a lot
- I don't see too much we gain with shoving, we don't make him fold better hands, only worse bluffs, that we crush anyway, but we have bad equity when we get called, so even calling down is better than shoving I guess

River is a call I think, especially for this sizing. I'm not sure what he's repping, as I'd expect him to continue turn with the A:d. Sometimes he can have hands like K:h Q:d, but that's not a big deal.


Reply
Quote
Super Moderator
VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

At NL 50 what do less-than-half-pot size bets usually mean?
It looks weird to bet so little.

After a small bet like that OTF, a raise might even be worth a go.
it shows strength -- a big pair, solid flush draw or even a set.
Not a good idea if he is likely to re-raise, though.

I would also agree with the river call.
Once again, the bet you are calling is so small compared to the pot, it seems a crime to fold here.

Peace,
VS


Reply
Quote
duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
At NL 50 what do less-than-half-pot size bets usually mean?
It looks weird to bet so little.

It is very common and makes sense to cbet small in a 4bet pot, especially if you want to put in your stack on 3 streets.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
After a small bet like that OTF, a raise might even be worth a go.
it shows strength -- a big pair, solid flush draw or even a set.
Not a good idea if he is likely to re-raise, though.

Raise/folding on the flop seems to me like the worst option of all... Also I'm not sure what we are representing with raising. Mostly we don't have KK+, so if we happen to 3bet/call hands like TT-QQ, why would we raise them here? He still have his KK+, alongside bluffs, so I don't see the point. Also we don't really have sets, so all we can raise "for value" are A:d K:d / A:d Q:d, which are working great as calls on the flop (although we can shove them for sure).


Reply
Quote
repoorTer
Joined: 13.05.2010

Against such tight opponet I surelly just flat it pre .


Reply
Quote
caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

I fold river TBH...

Pre-flop it's fine since we're deep... Flop I like the call and completely agree with duder1n0, calling down is better than shoving. Although there is something to be said about him folding AK like koene4u mentioned, but as a general rule I'd just call, but will give more thought to the idea of shoving since there are 9 combos of AK v 3 AA + 3 KK + 6 QQ

So it would be decent fold equity... and really calling down for stacks I'm not sure, and then if you're not calling down, maybe shoving is indeed better than calling 1 and folding on the turn. I guess that really depends on the opponent being able or not to jam on the turn as a bluff.

But again, on the river I fold, I just think we're beat or splitting, with a much greater chance of being beat. But I'll check the spoiler now :f_biggrin:


Reply
Quote
caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

Shit, I hero folded the best hand =/


Reply
Quote
mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Turn: Good spot to turn your hand into a bluff, I would probably bet 1/3 pot here to put some pressure on him

River: he is repping a hand such as Qd/9d. AdX would jam the Turn as the Nut flush draw, or bet larger on the River for more value.
Since he is repping such a narrow value range, and is giving himself such a good price on his bluff, I really like your call.

vs this bet size, we need to defend ~76% of our bluff catchers. I'm pretty sure that AK King pair is part of the top 76% of our hands which makes this an easy defend


Reply
Quote