[Closed] QQ on dangerous board

Well, basic SSS says when you are pre-flop aggressor and you hit a FD or OESD you play it as made hand.

But here, because you have a pocket pair, you don't have outs for two-pair. So you can count 9 (FD) + 2 (trips) = 11 outs, which is not really a monster draw, so I guess check/fold on flop. But let's see what the judge says.

I think you should've have check-folded.

Me thinks too. Check/fold it against 3 opponents, against one opponent raise cbet 2/3 of the pot.

TBH, for me it is a little dependent on stats. Yes we do have two opponents and under c-bet rules it is a c/f.

However personally I push here as the opponents checked to me, I have initiative and 11 outs. I would add fold equity to my calculation and therefore it is slightly opponent dependent

Sure enough it's a scary board but we don't even have a psb left. IMO, the only question is that do we get the money in here or on a later street. This is a hugely complicated question and depends pretty much on our opponents and how they play.

As a default option I can't imagine shoving the flop to be too far wrong. Sure we are sometimes almost dead here but often some villain will make a call with some crappy hand (J :spade:-9 etc) and of course the naked A will always call.

One pair+goodFD is a monster with the money so shallow.

NH.

Originally posted by dandycal
Well, basic SSS says when you are pre-flop aggressor and you hit a FD or OESD you play it as made hand.

No we don't play it as a made hand multiway!

Against Toppair you have 11 outs = 44% winning chance
Against a made flush(<J flush) you have 7 outs = 28% winning chance
Against Ax (non ♠) you have 90+% winning chance
Against A:sx you have 57% equity
Against A:s2:s you have 2% equity

I think a Push is okay but check/folding can also save you money because you only invested 4bb in this pot.
Personal preference is just check/folding this one until you hit a ♠

Best regards,
Gerv

MP2 is a seriously sick man!!