JTs bottom 2 pair on KJT in 3bet pot with initiative

U could cbet this flop. Many worse can call.
When he raises, if he is capable of doing it w drawing hands or not depends on how aggro he is posflop.

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
QUestion is - are even somebody raising here with a semibluf. For example if they have QK, they can call. QJ can call. AT maybe raise/fold? T9s, 98s (weak oesd), 87s. Proabably after cbet its bluffcatch.

I don't expect nl5 regs to bluffraise this flop at all. Your range is just too strong in their eyes, when faced with a cbet here he will be trying to choose between calling and folding.

And why do you 3bet preflop?
I like to cbet on this flop. You will get raises from better hands.

Originally posted by nitrol
And why do you 3bet preflop?
I like yo cbet on this flop. You will get raises from better hands.

I don't mind not cbetting, but I'm wondering if it's better to get value from pair+gutshot hands and KQ etc that might check behind?

on a rainbow board i am more inclined to x/c otf rather than donk here.

otr i would go for much smaller sizing.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
And why do you 3bet preflop?
I like yo cbet on this flop. You will get raises from better hands.

I don't mind not cbetting, but I'm wondering if it's better to get value from pair+gutshot hands and KQ etc that might check behind?

That is exactly the case. Though we should be very cautious vs aggression.

I wouldn't 3bet this pre, for me it is just a call. OTF I would cbet. Many weaker hands will call.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
And why do you 3bet preflop?
I like yo cbet on this flop. You will get raises from better hands.

I don't mind not cbetting, but I'm wondering if it's better to get value from pair+gutshot hands and KQ etc that might check behind?

That is exactly the case. Though we should be very cautious vs aggression.

Ah sorry I thought you meant "I like no cbet" rather than "I like to cbet". Yeah I think if we're raised on the flop it's pretty grim.

I corrected it, so no misunderstandings more.

You played this hand really well, I think. I love suited connectors and J10 is my favorite. The only thing that I would have done differently is, I would have just called the raise pre flop. Other than that, I would have played it the same way you did.

MrPink, flatting here I think its absolutely fine. I would do the same, btw.

I don't mind not cbetting, but I'm wondering if it's better to get value from pair+gutshot hands and KQ etc that might check behind?

I think many hands like KQs, JQs are surely calling, but not betting. Interesting that when I putted them on equilab, we are fliping (slightly losing, about 49,1-49,7). So we dont have a value bet against them. Worse would also call?

Do not look the EV of a certain hand. Look at equity of a range.

Man, if u read carefully u ll see that my point is different w this post.
KQ, for example, appeared in discussion like one hand that would be behind, and we could actually value bet vs this holding.
Not what I found on equilab. U already knew that we were actually behind vs those hands?

This does not change anything much as we look at the whole range, man...

Thats information. And not a common one, I would say.

We will be more willing to obtain info about the equity of his whole range. And that's where we should focus.

If u say we should focus on a range, bring us one. I would like to see it ♠_thumbsup:

No, no. I am not a waiter or a servant to BRING you beer whenever you want.
I know it is hard for you yo come up with a solid range but you have to try and figure it out, show us and then we can discuss.