NL20 Speed - I played this river terribly, what do you do here?

Why do you donk half turn? Depending on the answer we can see what makes the most sense.
As played, river is clear check/call. Let him keep bluffing and valuebetting his AQ/KK/AA on the blank.

When we donk the turn, we certainly can't fold to the raise and 3betting seems like an overplay. I'm not sure if he is raising TP/overpair on the turn (I'm pretty sure that he is not bluffing or semi-bluffing) and if he is, would he bet the river with it. So, maybe check/folding the river? I feel like our hand is no good there. But, check/calling is probably fine.

Originally posted by kriko92
Why do you donk half turn? Depending on the answer we can see what makes the most sense.

Don't want him to check back with his Ax that isn't folding now it makes a gutshot. In retrospect check-raising might be better because you get Qx, KK+ to get stacks in.

I am not sure Qx will stack off here so raising is a bit off.
As played , xc river seems right.

x/r turn and call a shove. As played I would 3bet him ott. He might put you on some draw ott and overplays Qx or OP.

Originally posted by nitrol
I am not sure Qx will stack off here so raising is a bit off.
As played , xc river seems right.

Yeah maybe not but in my experience nits hate folding TPTK or better postflop. I guess when you wait 25 hands to hit a premium hand you're reluctant to let it go.

I'd x/c river. I like donking the turn, and would also call the raise.

I would not donk turn, but x/c. River woul evaluate but tending to call again (if the board doesnt pairs).

Originally posted by Afulibador
I would not donk turn, but x/c. River woul evaluate but tending to call again (if the board doesnt pairs).

I think a lot of his range that will cbet flop (Ax, 88-JJ, some weak Qx) will check back the turn but call a bet.

Agree. We should bet turn and charge villain.

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by Afulibador
I would not donk turn, but x/c. River woul evaluate but tending to call again (if the board doesnt pairs).

I think a lot of his range that will cbet flop (Ax, 88-JJ, some weak Qx) will check back the turn but call a bet.

This can make sense, since the 5 is not a great card to second barrel. Got ur point here.

The 5 actually is one of the best cards to barrel.

Donk betting turn is fine if you do it as a bluff too. What other hands do you donk this turn with?

I would c/r turn because most of our range checks the turn, unless you have a wide turn donking range.

Its too easy for villain to fold TPTK type hands if you only donk bet strong hands here.

I'm not too worried about being unbalanced against bad players in one or two specific spots. But actually, defending the BB from a BTN open, I'd probably have a decent x/c, b range because so many players are one-and-done.

Originally posted by nitrol
The 5 actually is one of the best cards to barrel.

Why?

cause you have 2 P now, board is dry and villain can xb.

As u like to say... Read carefully ♠_wink:
I said what MJ said makes sense cause the 5 is not a great card to second barrel. This means I m talking about villain play.
This also means that he can, in fact, xb, so its good for we to stab.

For villain5 is a blank and is good to continue telling the story from flop.

Maybe... anyway, read carefully next time ♠_thumbsup: