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JJ - Overpair : 2 barrels - getting shoved on river.

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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

similar I meant
- in strenght of hand
- type of flop
- 3bet pot
- OOP

And I know I'm narrowing my range by donking tot 99-JJ, A♣:x:club: type of hands but is that really an issue. Do we need to disguise our hand every time ?

but indeed the size of the 3bet and him being IP looks like a strong PP or a very weak PP.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by schelleXL
similar I meant
- in strenght of hand
- type of flop
- 3bet pot
- OOP

And I know I'm narrowing my range by donking tot 99-JJ, A♣:x:club: type of hands but is that really an issue. Do we need to disguise our hand every time ?

but indeed the size of the 3bet and him being IP looks like a strong PP or a very weak PP.

In first hand you are the preflop aggressor and are 3betting there. In the second you are calling the 3bet.
In second hand flop is more connected and FD is possible. In first hand you cbet, in second you donk.

Yes your hand strenght is the same but still it is very much different and differently played. It might be "similar hand" but it is not similar spot. We can not compare these hands.

No you do not have to disguise your hand every time but when you narrow your range and clearly rep overpairs or sets and villain calls I would be very careful with the turn line. We do not have a monster here, I would like to keep villains range wide also.


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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

That's true, thanks La55i


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

That's why I'm also not a fan of 3betting JJ here without any reads that villain calls way too much vs 3bets.

As played the river is an easy fold. No way he's going to play Tx like that. We must give him lots of double-floats (aka missed backdoorflushdraws) for doing so.

I like the line cbet --> x/c too.


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I would not have 3bet here. I would have also check/call the turn. I do think the fold on the river was a smart move.


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Possible scenario, TT against JJ, flop a set and full house on the river.


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