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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 207.2 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 128.6 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 34.62, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 27)
MP: 69.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
CO: 96.6 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ K♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.6 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, CO calls 8 BB, SB calls 8 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) 9♣ 8♣ 6♣
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, CO raises to 34 BB, fold, fold,

Our opponent is rather a fishy player... would you shove here or fold?


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LuckyLucianooo
Joined: 05.08.2010

I cannot find fold here. You have overpair and strong draw. Without any specific reads push for value is ok.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Push is not ok. Villain will not fold stronger hands.
Just call and see the turn. And do not pump the pot as you do not draw to nuts!


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

I vote for shoving against the fish.

Another club may kill the action and all type of top pairs, TT-QQ type hands, pair+draw type of hands would call your shove to make it +ev


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

This was a call for me and evaluate turn


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

1) I'd prefer to squeeze much bigger preflop sizing. Min open => CC - I' d like to squeeze 14-15. Just look at CO 41/17 - this is real phone.
2) I think we can't fold any way here, we have an over pair and a 2d nut - flush draw. Yes, I agree , out opponent still could have flush, but this guy is pretty wide. This is 3b pot and we have an over. I' d fold this hand vs guys 12/9 13/10 or something like realy nit, bcs this flop fit pretty well for him, but vs this guy it is never a fold.
I think fishy player could min-raise here with something like this

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AA,JJ-22,AcKc,AcQc,AcJc,QcJc,AcTc,QcTc,JcTc,Ac9c,Qc9c,Jc9c,Tc9c,Ac8c,Qc8c,Jc8c,Tc8c,9c8c,Ac7c,Qc7c,Jc7c,Tc7c,9c7c,8c7c,Ac6c,Qc6c,Jc6c,Tc6c,9c6c,8c6c,7c6c,Ac5c,Qc5c,Jc5c,Tc5c,9c5c,8c5c,7c5c,6c5c,Ac4c,Qc4c,Jc4c,Tc4c,9c4c,8c4c,7c4c,6c4c,5c4c,Ac3c,Qc3c,Jc3c,Tc3c,9c3c,8c3c,7c3c,6c3c,Ac2c,Qc2c,Jc2c,Tc2c,9c2c,8c2c,7c2c,AcKd,AcKh,AcKs,AcQd,AcQh,AcQs,AcJd,AcJh,AcJs,AcTd,AcTh,AcTs,Ac9d,Ac9h,Ac9s,Ac8d,Ac8h,Ac8s,Ac7d,Ac7h,Ac7s,Ac6d,Ac6h,Ac6s,Ac5d,Ac5h,Ac5s,Ac4d,Ac4h,Ac4s,Ac3d,Ac3h,Ac3s,Ac2d,Ac2h,Ac2s,Td9c,Th9c,Ts9c,Tc9d,Tc9h,Tc9s,9d8c,9h8c,9s8c,9c8d,9c8h,9c8s,8d7c,8h7c,8s7c,8c7d,8c7h,8c7s,7d6c,7h6c,7s6c,7c6d,7c6h,7c6s

Yes, he still could raise here with under-pair, i'm not optimist, that is how they play it, they think AK, AQ missed the flop, that is why 22 could be "pretty good".
Anyway, we definitely have call here and on any blank turn we can shove.

Just check at equilab, it will remove from the fish range all cards that blocked by the board and we even have 53 percent vs fish. Min-raise do not always mean strong hand, it is sometimes means trying to know where "raiser stand".

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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.13 (102.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
MP: $5.34 (106.8 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $8.90 (178 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♦: K♣:
MP folds, CO raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.80, CO calls $0.68, BTN folds

Flop: ($1.74) 3♠: Q♣: 8♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $4.20 and is all-in, CO calls $1.60 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.14) 2♣: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($10.14) T♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

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$10.14 pot ($0.42 rake)
Final Board: 3♠: Q♣: 8♥: 2♣: T♥:
Hero showed K♦: K♣: and won $9.72 ($4.72 net)
CO showed Q♠: A♥: and lost (-$5 net)

Opponent - CO 22/21 F3B = 77!!! CO 4B range = 2. wtsd = 20, wssf = 49! AF 4/5/4 WR= 2/100
FCB F: 50 T:34 R:33
By the general way we need to fold here but I'm commited = 1/2 of my stack here and I could guess he could have 88 or QQ, but what he has more? AQ{12} or {88(3),QQ(3)}. Also he could have KQs(2).

Anyway, I do not insist on my opinion, sometime it is easy to fold, especially vs passive opponent.


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

Just one think - I would not draw a conclusion after 14 hands. I would rather treat him as an unk than as a fish (that's why I mentioned that it is "rather a fishy player", we do not have 100% confidence). I think we should still give him some trust.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I think vpip pfr that is quite basic stats, so , he has tendency to phone. 41/15 this is really wide phone, I know only 14 hands here, but also he has not complete 100BB stack - that is the second fish sign.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by mistralx
Just one think - I would not draw a conclusion after 14 hands. I would rather treat him as an unk than as a fish (that's why I mentioned that it is "rather a fishy player", we do not have 100% confidence). I think we should still give him some trust.

Totally agree here. For 14 hands you can have a huge difference in stats and it is better to treat this player as unknown.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Call OTF and see turn. We can't make any conclusions based on 14 hands.


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