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Bluff donkbet river

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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

$0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $29.17 (145.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $24.89 (124.5 bb)
UTG: $20 (100 bb)
MP: $25.10 (125.5 bb)
CO: $24.33 (121.7 bb)
BTN: $8 (40 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♣: J♣:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.10) 6♣: 9♥: 6♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.77, Hero calls $0.77

Turn: ($2.64) 4♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.82, Hero calls $1.82

River: ($6.28) 3♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $5

Villain is 21/17 over 172 hands.

Pre, flop and turn quite standard. River fills the heart flush that hits my calling range well so I guess that we can donk bet bluff here? What do you think of this?

+ When we donk here as a bluff we can donk bet the flush too :f_drink:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The board is paired...


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

I don't know if it should be our "standard" line, but the fact is that IMO you can throw away many many better hands.

Even though the board is paired, in this particular spot i think it doesn't change anything, because nuts hands are only 5 combos (1 combo of 66 and 3 combos of 99) and instead of these, he also have TT+ (24 combos) which he would play the same (bet Flop and bet Turn).

But I am completely not sure about this one.

Edit: but anyway, drawing to 3rd flush on paired board is not a thing I would like to do too often vs unks.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Don't know. How often is villain folding against (river)donks and x/r? With a high frequency you have more fold equity.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

lol this is pretty cool, i like it. kinda wondering what's the optimal size though
that said, i wonder if this is a good spot for villain to (bluff) raise 100% of the time? still no one at these stakes is going to do that, of course.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

I would fold flop here 100% of the time and may sometimes 3bet pre as a bluff.

A thinking reg would realize you are not calling turn oop on a paired board with flush draw.

If you decide to bluff, would be better if at least on of your cards was a heart.


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mistralx
Joined: 13.08.2014

Why do you want to fold this hand PF?
We have good odds, we close the action, our hand has good play ability (FD, OESD etc.).

I would only 3-bet here if I know that MP has quite big Ft3b (like > 60%).

Our hand vs (not to small, not too big) open from MP:

       Equity  Wygrana  Podział
MP2    42.70%   41.45%    1.25% { QJs }
MP3    57.30%   56.05%    1.25% { 66+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, ATo+, KQo }

Edit: I misread your POST :f_ugly: Thought you were talking about PF :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Lol, I like the play, but please, please don't call it "pretty standard". Floating absolute trash OOP is not standard, and you are certainly not doing an "odds-and-outs" call on the turn. As played, OTR: Yes, you must donk unless you want to donate this guy money.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Originally posted by YohanN7
Lol, I like the play, but please, please don't call it "pretty standard". Floating absolute trash OOP is not standard, and you are certainly not doing an "odds-and-outs" call on the turn.

Yeah, well I'm not floating the flop/turn to just give up on turn or river if I don't hit.

Originally posted by mistralx
Edit: but anyway, drawing to 3rd flush on paired board is not a thing I would like to do too often vs unks.

When I float the flop I'm not going to give up turn when I get more equity + I'm not only calling to hit, I'm trying to take the pot away later. And I don't mind not drawing to the nuts when its backdoor.


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5trang3
Joined: 24.05.2016

It's a nice line, but it seems a bit of a hard sell just because you displayed so little aggression throughout the hand.
Would you really be playing a flush draw this passively? (Especially one in which a lot of your FD combos are 2 Overs + FD)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

No, it is probably not hard to sell. You'll see all over the forums that check/call - check/call - donk "always" means strong. Don't ask me for the rationale except for peoples own experience with it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

This is a population read on micros.


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