Should we bet OTR here?

I think we should bet. He would bet two-pairs and sets OTT, so I think we have the best hand OTR very often. Since he seems not to be strong, I believe that something like 1/3 bet should do the job.

i wouldnt
imo more combos that beat us than that which we value bet

I wouldn't have called pre-flop.

As played, I think the call on the flop was good, I would hAve bet the turn, we could get calls from draws.

On the River, I would bet small like 1/3 the pot. I don't vilain would have called pré flop with 62. And we might get calls from Ax or 4x.

Yes, you should value bet this. And do not make it 1/3. Make at least 2/3 bet to target Ax, 4x.

He would either pay a solid river bet or fold to anything.

I agree with Sunrise. Especially as played ott. our bigger (2/3 pot or 3/4) river bet would more likely seem like bluff than 1/3 pot.

I would also bet turn.

Originally posted by Rottmann
I agree with Sunrise. Especially as played ott. our bigger (2/3 pot or 3/4) river bet would more likely seem like bluff than 1/3 pot.

But it also makes it harder for him to call, and he doesn't have fishy stats. I usualy go with 1/2 pot in this spot, and I think we shouldn't go bigger than that if we are not against a fish.

I just want to mention that we are 4way on this flop with no clean outs, so I don't see a reason to call.

1. This is a squeeze preflop.
2. Vs such passive postflop villain we should bet/fold river.
3. We should not make it big on river. 50% at most.

This can be squeezed pre folp but I think calling is not terrible. As played when we are multiway and we hit, I would lead.
OTR I would bet fold.

What do you mean we hit? If we call preflop it's because we are multiway and we are calling for nut flush value, and not for top pair value. Even straight would be probably bed if we are facing much agression. As I see it we missed this flop completely.
Of course, I could be wrong completely ;-)

This is a definite bet on the river. I guess you can fold to a raise, but you might want to call anyways because you probably never get here with anything better than the nut flush taking this line (Besides maybe Fives full of Fours. You probably raise A4, and all flopped sets on the flop).

Actually in hindsight, being GTO playing micros is a bit ridiculous. Ignore what I said, you should probably bet/fold the river.

I did bet/fold river. Concerning the squeeze I don't know if we can get 2 opponents off of their hands with 1 calling (SB that is). That's why I took the implied odds of going 4-way to the flop.

I think that both squeezing and flatting is fine here. You will flop a draw or top pair often enough to justify the great odds you are getting to flat pre-flop here.

Originally posted by Oly0909
What do you mean we hit? If we call preflop it's because we are multiway and we are calling for nut flush value, and not for top pair value. Even straight would be probably bed if we are facing much agression. As I see it we missed this flop completely.
Of course, I could be wrong completely ;-)

We hit a top pair. We are multiway. Maybe none of them has A or at least not all of them can have. It is better to thin the field, leading here will have huge fold equity and we want to make smaller pocket pairs and draws pay.
Since we are going to call villains bet OTF anyway, it is better to bet ourselves.

Squeezing is better. We have blocker, we are suited, we will have the initiative and villains fold too much to squeeze.
If we just call, it will be more difficult to play our draw OOP.

imo in this position a call and a bet have same equity, also depends on what player you face against almost all players i bet 1/3 pot.
agaisnt aggressive opp check to catch bluffs.

Yes, this may be right. I learned here also that if I decide to go for implied odds, I should have led out since value is what we try to achieve. Other than that, a squeeze might be a more attractive option in general in such a situation. Thanks.

Oh, when we are mw we should donk this and donk turn too.

Bet river, all Ax will call you.

Originally posted by nitrol
Squeezing is better. We have blocker, we are suited, we will have the initiative and villains fold too much to squeeze.
If we just call, it will be more difficult to play our draw OOP.

Squeezing is the worst, this A2s is perfect to play in multiway pot and we play it for nut flush potential, to stack guys with 87s etc. We are making those connectors fold if we squeeze.