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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I decided to shove not min raise as I had tried that before and the BS shoved on me
SB 46/28 - 3bet 14% - 115 hands
BB 34/26 3bet 17% - 115 hands

If I min raise am I calling the SB or BB shove?

Poker Stars, $6.39 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players

SB: 1,094 (9.1 bb)
BB: 5,653 (47.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 2,253 (18.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T♣: A♣:
Hero raises to 2,238 and is all-in, SB calls 1,019 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: (2,323) 4♠: 9♠: 8♦: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (2,323) K♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (2,323) 2♥: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

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2,323 pot
Final Board: 4♠: 9♠: 8♦: K♥: 2♥:
SB showed A♥: A♦: and won 2,323 (1,229 net)
Hero showed T♣: A♣: and lost (-1,094 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Shoving isn’t too bad here. If you min-raise I would call the SB and fold against the BB.
You are pretty much committed against the SB and he can 3bet shove a pretty wide range.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
If you min-raise I would call the SB and fold against the BB.

Afterwards I was thinking I prefer that way.

How loose would the BB have to playing for you to consider calling his shove? Or would you never call due to ICM?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You can always use every day free 3 shots with ICMIZER to check it out.
I just checked it and even if he shoves any 2 you can’t profitale call here:
http://www.icmpoker.com/screenshotsource/ceiqHJ

Cheers,
SDK1987


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I have had a few plays around with ICMizer and each time I'm more and more amazed at how tight you have to play vs the big stack on the bubble


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

Jeez, even AKo is -EV here.
I think I would have shoved here as well. Based on stats BB seems like a reg who occasionally plays around with the ICMizer :f_biggrin:.

Slippyjim, do you happen to know how to import your personal stats at the table with with the rest?


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by TomClassy
Slippyjim, do you happen to know how to import your personal stats at the table with with the rest?

Do you mean your stats into ICMizer? like VPIP/PFR so that ICMizer can adjust the ranges accordingly?
I'm not sure that is possible, if there is a way I'm not aware of it. If you do a "copy with stats" from HEM2 and paste that into ICMizer it rejects it


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015

No, I am talking about the hand history import to the forum


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

oh right, no I dont think thats possible from HEM

Well it is kind of, if you right click the hand and then go copy with stats you get something like this

** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, July 04, 04:46:57 ET 2016
Table 1610377227 1 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 2: Player2 ( 1312 ) - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 2.0, Hands: 68
Seat 3: Player3 ( 1483 ) - VPIP: 39, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 4.0, Hands: 54
Seat 4: Hero ( 3759 ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 23, 3B: 9, AF: 2.7, Hands: 27767
Seat 5: Player5 ( 1121 ) - VPIP: 42, PFR: 23, 3B: 20, AF: 1.9, Hands: 60
Seat 6: Player6 ( 1325 ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 18, 3B: 13, AF: 16.0, Hands: 327
Player2 posts ante of [6].
Player3 posts ante of [6].
Hero posts ante of [6].
Player5 posts ante of [6].
Player6 posts ante of [6].
Player2 posts small blind [25].
Player3 posts big blind [50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7c 7d ]
Hero raises [125]
Player5 raises [1115]
Player6 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero folds
Player5 wins 990
Player5 wins 355 from main pot

Which isnt as nice to look at as this (from right click then view)
Poker Stars, $3.13 Buy-in (25/50 blinds, 6 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 1,312 (26.2 bb)
BB: 1,483 (29.7 bb)
Hero (MP): 3,759 (75.2 bb)
CO: 1,121 (22.4 bb)
BTN: 1,325 (26.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7♣: 7♦:
Hero raises to 125, CO raises to 1,115 and is all-in, 4 folds

Results:

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355 pot
CO mucked and won 355 (224 net)

But I guess you can combine the two, I'm going to do that in future, at least it saves some typing :f_thumbsup:


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