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Missed Nutflushdraw am River - Checkraise?

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Konkronus
Joined: 23.03.2015

I'm sorry, I accidentally posted this in the English Forum. Still, feel free to comment. English version is one post below.

Hi, was halte ihr davon?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.3 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (SB): 199.2 BB
BB: 156.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 594 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 186.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ J♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 7♦ 5♦
Hero bets 3.1 BB, BB calls 3.1 BB

Turn: (11.2 BB, 2 players) A♦
Hero bets 7 BB, BB calls 7 BB

River: (25.2 BB, 2 players) A♣
Hero checks, BB bets 24 BB, Hero raises to 71.5 BB

Ich möchte hier hören, was dafür / dagegen spricht den Raise zu machen. Und wenn ja welches Sizing.

Bsp. 1: Limit zu niedrig -> Leute callen mit jedem Ass bzw. gehen All In.
Bsp. 2: Er kann den Kd nicht halten und wird daher mit kleineren Flushes folden.

Ich möchte nicht hören: "Obv scheiße" oder "obv guter Move". Das bringt mir nix fürs nächste mal.
Viel Spaß :)

Naja, die Hand ist noch von gestern, aber das war der interessanteste Spot und ich bin mir nicht sicher ob das so richtig ist.


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Konkronus
Joined: 23.03.2015

Haha I'm sorry I accidentally posted this in the wrong forums (English, not German).

You can still see the hand.

I want to hear what you think of the checkraise on the river. Pros and Cons. Your conclusion. But not just "obv bad move". That doesn't help.
For example: "Limit is too low, people will shove any A". Or: "Villain can't hold Kd, he will fold smaller Flushes".

The hand is from yesterdays session and I'm not entirely sure what the right way to play the river is.

Villain was relatively unknown to me.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I guess it is an obvious XF without any further move. Why? 1) Your opponent is unknown, you don't know how will he react vs XR river.
2) The board is paired. Will you opponent fold Fulhouse? Never
3) Will your opponent fold Flush at this low limit? Rarely, but you need to know vs whom do you play.
4) The main note : your opponent bets POT OTR. it is definitely kind of value hand, so you are burning money with your XR.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

To be your call profitable you need him to fold 60 % otr to be your call OK

So, if he has something like this otr

77,55-44,AJs-ATs,A7s-A2s,QdJd,QdTd,JdTd,Qd9d,Jd9d,Td9d,Qd8d,Jd8d,Td8d,9d8d,Qd7d,9d7d,8d7d,8d6d,7d6d,7d5d,6d5d,6d4d,5d4d - 37 combos

and folds everything but FH - 13 combos left, it is still "so so". But he might check the low flushes and some of the trips combos behind though, so I'm rather folding.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Do not do this when deep.
Your xr is small size.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

When villain calls flop and turn and almost pots the river on that board, I wouldn't try to check/raise him without specific info (that he is bluffing with that sizing). He will most often have a hand that beats us and doesn't fold vs raise. I would check/fold the river by default.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

We cannot raise OTR when turn with Ace is called. We should not bet and fold vs any bet here as we do not have much FE


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Konkronus
Joined: 23.03.2015

Alright I can't argue vs that. You guys are right! I guess I overestimated the value of the Kd block. Thanks for the input :) Upvotes were given!

Would the situation be different if the river was a brick instead of the 2nd A?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well, you block the flush but there are still better hands. And when you block something it doesnot mean he cannot have it. Just it is less likely....
The 2d gives us the nut flush. ..


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

If the river was brick I would prefer betting myself otr and not x/r. If the board is not paired here it means he has less nut / strong combos and you will have more FE.


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