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JJ x 3 bet on low board

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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016
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** Hand History for Game 15483747656 **
$0.02/$0.04 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 26, 18:25:55 CEST 2016
Table Quito (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 2: BugsyUppit37 ( $9.71 USD )
Seat 5: Mr.Tony_S ( $2.39 USD )
Seat 6: Sayonaramz ( $6.12 USD )
Seat 4: ValeraVpered ( $4.03 USD )
Seat 1: catchingfish88 ( $4.62 USD )
Seat 3: rembrandtens ( $4.87 USD )
catchingfish88 posts small blind [$0.02 USD].
BugsyUppit37 posts big blind [$0.04 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sayonaramz [ Js Jh ]
ValeraVpered folds
Mr.Tony_S folds
Sayonaramz raises [$0.12 USD]
catchingfish88 raises [$0.40 USD]
BugsyUppit37 folds
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Sayonaramz calls [$0.30 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 5d, 6d ]
catchingfish88 bets [$0.56 USD]
Sayonaramz raises [$1.54 USD]
catchingfish88 is all-In [$3.64 USD]
Sayonaramz folds
catchingfish88 does not show cards.
catchingfish88 wins $6.43 USD

Hi,
I´d like just to ask, if it´s good fold or am I being too tight?
To explain my action, I 3bet his cbet, because (his cbet stat is 70) I put him on some high cards and possible pairs (QQ+). Though I have overpair I think I can´t call...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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I suggest you convert your hands to a better format. There are several hand converters online, for example http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/ and http://www.handconverter.com/. Also if you are using HM2 you can convert it directly in the software. After that your hand will look like this:

Hand Information
, 0.04 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Table Information
Seat: 1 Player 1 ($4.62) Small Blind
Seat: 2 Player 2 ($9.71) Big Blind
Seat: 3 Player 3 ($4.87)
Seat: 4 Player 4 ($4.03)
Seat: 5 Player 5 ($2.39)
Seat: 6 Hero ($6.12) Dealer
Dealt to Hero
J♠J♥

Preflop (Pot:0.06)
Player 4    FOLD
Player 5    FOLD
Hero    RAISE $0.12
Player 1    RAISE $0.42
Player 2    FOLD
Hero    CALL $0.3

Flop(Pot: $0.9)
7♥5♦6♦

Player 1    BET $0.56
Hero    RAISE $1.54
Player 1    ALL-IN
Hero    FOLD
Showdown:
Player 1 MUCKS

Player 1  wins the pot: $6.62

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In this hand I would 4bet JJ from BTN vs SB.
Your flop play doesn't look good to me. I would just call here. There is no reason to raise and when you raise it is weird to fold against a re-raise.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016
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Originally posted by la55i

In this hand I would 4bet JJ from BTN vs SB.
Your flop play doesn't look good to me. I would just call here. There is no reason to raise and when you raise it is weird to fold against a re-raise.

Ok, sorry for putting it there in that awful format, but my sidekick didn´t archive this hand (don´t know why) and I didn´t know about converting it somehow. Thanks for converting the hand :).

Well, pre-flop might be a problem, I confess. But post-flop I don´t see a problem. I 3-bet him in order to get him out of the game as I don´t see myself comfortable after the turn. If he calls/raises my 3 bet it means to me I´m behind. I bet there not for value, but for information, which I wouldn´t get by calling imo. Only think which concerns me is that he might think the same way and read that if he goes all in I will not call, but that´s kind of high level of thinking for the limits I play.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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The problem is that your raise is only to get info, which is totally wrong reason to raise. This will cost you money in the long run, and what real info do you get here? It is a 3bet pot and you probably will get a decent amount of calls. Pocket pairs and draws will call here.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
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This is a 3b pot, the pot is big enough and a raise to get information is out of line here.
Just call and keep the pot small.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016
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I thought I would save money by 3 betting there and getting info, because otherwise I would try hard to keep the pot small and try to see SD as cheap as possible? You are probably right (well of course you are, you are very experienced after all) but I don´t completely understand what should I do. My idea was to save money by folding there if I get re-raised - which is wrong you say. Then I should call, call the river (if no terrible card comes) and if he fires 3rd barrel then fold?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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If villain uses 1/2 pot bet size OTT too, you will invest the same amount of money with raising flop or calling his turn bet too.
I would call flop and call turn and then probably give up OTR.
On the flop villain might have some weaker hands than your hand, you want to keep these hands in villains range. By raisin you will isolate yourself against a strong range.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016
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Ok, thanks. At more and more hands (I post on this forum) I´m persuaded, I don´t want to say, that I played it the best way, but lets say the one of the best ways and then after discussion I´m telling myself, that the right way is so obvious, that I don´t understand how could I play it otherwise. For example this hand I thought that my reasons for 3 betting (saving money - if I get raise I´m behind) were cool, well it would be, but as you said, it only keeps strong hands in the game and by checking/calling 2 streets I invest same (maybe a bit more) money, but the difference is I´m still in game with chance to win. Also barrelling 3 streets isn´t likely to happen as a bluff. Thanks guys :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
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It is normal to miss something in the beginning. Do not worry, post hands and ask questions...
Cheers. :)


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016
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This is a similar hand to what I find myself in a lot. But I would normally fold the flop for fear of a straight. But do we assume that he wouldn't have 3bet preflop if he had cards that would complete the straight? Unless he is really loose?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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It is SBvBB so he can 3bet hands that make a straight here. But he will also raise us OTF with some over cards, draws etc.. By always folding we make ourselves exploitable. Of course if we think villain has 0 bluffs we should be folding here.


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