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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

888 Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.11, PFR: 11.90, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 896)
BTN: 154 BB (VPIP: 31.85, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 139)
SB: 40 BB (VPIP: 14.89, PFR: 12.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 707)
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 14.36, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.29, Hands: 188)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ K♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 3♣ T♥ 2♦
Hero bets 5.4 BB, BTN raises to 15.2 BB, Hero calls 9.8 BB

Turn: (37.8 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 21.8 BB, Hero calls 21.8 BB

River: (81.4 BB, 2 players) 3♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 76.8 BB, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 76.8 BB


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

He has all sets in his range OTF. He doesn't have draws (or at least not much of them), so my choice would be to fold. Probably the best move would be to check/call, but I think we have to check/fold the turn then, but not sure.


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scopinad
Joined: 13.06.2015

The action narrows the villain's range to TT 33 22 as few draws possible. Looks like hero is way behind.
Good fold on the river.
Well played.


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piR
piR
Joined: 31.08.2008

I would say well play but what do you pay river when you call turn ? if x/f to all bet river maybe fold turn is better unless BTN is really passive (which not seems to be the case)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think its played ok. Although folding already OTT could be an option.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

I think it´s ok. Turn is close imo. River should be fold, annoying, but fold.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

When i see stats like that and the desicion is postflop I always want to ask TS - what kind of answer do you wish to get by providing preflop stats and asking postflop question. :wtf:
Seriously, you have at least 136 hands and posted only vpip/pfr.:wtf:
If you post only pre - my opinion fold the flop. It is pretty dry flop and you was raised 3X, you are OOP . You will never understand where do you stand. To ask postflop answer the best possible way to get correct and complete discussion it to provide not only VPIP/PFR. IMO.
Just to note, your oppoent could be LOOSE Agressive and Losse Passive. We dont know who is he. If he is Laggy, i guess you even call sometimes, it he is loose passive, you can easy fold flop.
I just can't never understand why does community keep calm about inconsistence - TS posts preflop stats and asks about postflop answer. WHY?


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molderz
Joined: 25.02.2008

I am new at this, but i ll tell my opinion anyways.
I think fold is bad as i put villian on A-10, K-10, Q-10, J-10 hand, which is the highest posibility for calling 3bb on flop. You can be super unlucky and he have 33 or 22 but most likely its hand mentioned before. So every card which comes after and is 10 or less is in favor of him, because he puts You on AK, A-Q, K-Q. I think You had to call there and beat crap out of that A-10 guy ;)


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

Originally posted by tiltmonk
I just can't never understand why does community keep calm about inconsistence - TS posts preflop stats and asks about postflop answer. WHY?

because preflop ranges are a starting point to define postflop ranges, obviously
also these stats are automatically put in by the tracking software when you copy the hand


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Maniatrix
Joined: 01.11.2008

Originally posted by Alleen86
He has all sets in his range OTF. He doesn't have draws (or at least not much of them), so my choice would be to fold. Probably the best move would be to check/call, but I think we have to check/fold the turn then, but not sure.

Wait, what?

Check/call the flop and then check/fold the turn in a SRP on this board with KK?

Well done.
:coolface:


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

Originally posted by Tomaloc

Originally posted by tiltmonk
I just can't never understand why does community keep calm about inconsistence - TS posts preflop stats and asks about postflop answer. WHY?

because preflop ranges are a starting point to define postflop ranges, obviously
also these stats are automatically put in by the tracking software when you copy the hand

Sure basic preflop ranges is required for correct hand discussion, but we are talking on post. Once again - who is our villain (LAG or LP), what is his W$SF? What is his AF, AFr? Vs agro monkey it could easy shove from time to time. Vs passive it is easy fold.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

We still have only 139 hands. Villain has played less than third of those hands so we don't get reliable postflop stats from that sample just yet. And when villain raises on this dry flop he most likely has sets and some aggressive villains could have JJ,QQ. So whether villain is loose aggressive or loose passive could have some meaning when deciding our turn line but river should still be folded in my opinion.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I agree - sample is small, but basic postflop stats is better than nothing, if sample would be 10 or 30, there is no sense to post them. But we can try to analyze with wstd, AF, CB tendencies. E.G. with villain has even on small smaple CB 80 with 30 open this could tell us he is more agro than middle reg.


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