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Checkm4te35
Joined: 23.06.2010

Hey guys, wondering what you think about my fold here, the villain seemed like a regular, it felt like i was up against AA KK from the start, then the board got kinda ugly as well, so i said goodbye to the queens, right decision?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BB: 131 BB (VPIP: 6.06, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 33)
UTG: 108 BB (VPIP: 14.52, PFR: 8.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 62)
Hero (UTG+1): 172.5 BB
MP: 50 BB (VPIP: 8.82, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
MP+1: 132 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 33)
CO: 104 BB (VPIP: 15.56, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
BTN: 99 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 33)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♥ Q♠

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7 BB, fold

Flop: (24 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 9♦ 3♦
SB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

Turn: (56 BB, 2 players) 8♦
SB bets 32.5 BB, fold

SB wins 54 BB


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Checkm4te35
Joined: 23.06.2010

Also, just a few hands later, i ran into a similar situation:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 201.5 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 54)
MP+2: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 11.32, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 54)
CO: 99 BB (VPIP: 16.04, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 182.5 BB
BB: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
UTG: 129 BB (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 54)
UTG+1: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 14.12, PFR: 10.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)
MP: 86.5 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 54)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ J♦

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, MP raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 2♣ 4♠ 8♠
Hero checks, MP bets 15.5 BB, Hero calls 15.5 BB

Turn: (52 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (52 BB, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, MP bets 61 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 50 BB

I just dont see him betting this river with something like AK AQ, what do you think?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I want to ask you why do you call preflop?


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Checkm4te35
Joined: 23.06.2010

Instead of 4bet/shove? Good question, i really dont know actually


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He can do it with TT... :)


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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012

Here I think you should 4 bet because you want to clear up the situation beforehand, QQ is a great hand but now the range is just too wide to fold. Here there are exactly 4 pocket pairs (other than yours) that are overpairs: TT and JJ, and AA and KK. Two of them you crush, two of them have you crushed. I would have 4bet and then see the reaction. In a 4bet pot normally I would feel more comfortable about stacking off. Some players will just call with AA and KK and then of course playing your overpair for value will prove not so valueable but yeah so be it. Still 4 bet to get to see the reaction, his reaction will further define his range. Now the problem is that you could very well be behind, but you could also very well be very much in front. Your preflop decisionmaking made the postflop visibility very bad, and now you find yourself in murky water and then it becomes hard to know what to do. GL


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Checkm4te35
Joined: 23.06.2010

Yeah, you're right, should've 4bet there, thanks!


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would not squeeze early opener and a caller with TT from SB.. Because I believe SB might not have TT or even JJ in his range I would just call there too...

BTW: I don't think the hands you posted are similar. Different positions&preflop action = different ranges. In the first one you are IP and in the second one you are OOP. In the first one you face less than a pot bet OTT and in the second one it is an overbet OTR. So what makes these similar? :f_biggrin:


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