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KK - overplayed?

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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 72.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 183.1 BB (VPIP: 22.13, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 126)
BB: 122.3 BB (VPIP: 32.61, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 93)
Hero (UTG): 123.6 BB
MP: 554.6 BB (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 359)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ K♦

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 10.5 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold, BB calls 13.5 BB

Flop: (51 BB, 2 players) 8♣ J♣ 3♥
BB checks, Hero bets 24.4 BB, BB calls 24.4 BB

Turn: (99.8 BB, 2 players) 4♠
BB checks, Hero bets 75.2 BB and is all-in, BB calls 73.9 BB and is all-in

River: (247.6 BB, 2 players) T♣

BB shows A♥ A♦ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows K♣ K♦ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 236.5 BB

is the turn ship viable? Or overplayed? it looks like either Aces or Queens, or perhaps AcKc, and if i was to check back the turn and he shipped the river, is it a fold? assuming a blank


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Yea I think you're mostly looking at JJ+ here. Also he can't have AKcc, you have the Kc :)

Honestly I think value shoving is still fine. I think we can still expect most people to 5bet or jam AA most of the time though it's of course not impossible for him t have it. And if he can have JJ here maybe he also squeezes hands like AQcc and AJs with which he can call.


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tapatop
Joined: 01.09.2009

I would do the same ,maybe close to pot bet OTF ,sometimes he can have AA and JJ ,but you have fold equty and win against other hands he can call with -QQ ,AJs ,KJs, QJs , etc.Good Luck.


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Varune
Joined: 24.04.2009

Without solid reads and just a 93h sample i'd say this is just a cooler.


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Deomedes
Joined: 12.11.2011

I do not see it as overplayed. Maybe though a half pot OTT is a size that gets more calls. Yes, the time he hits he wins 25bb more or so, but he is still making a mistake. Also he is not calling all his QJ type of hands OTT vs a shove but he MIGHT call some vs a smaller size.


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aedum14
Joined: 07.07.2017

I think the money was probably going to go in either way, but I'd probably have checked the turn to give him a chance to hang himself on the river, since that's a very dry board. I mean what's going to call the turn there that you have beat? QQ, AJ, maybe 10s? Maybe Ax of clubs? Once he called the turn he had to have something I think, so I'd have checked back the river, especially with the club draw getting there.

Just unlucky that it was a cooler and you were the one hanged.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

You play just fine, I don't like vilians play, whenever is Ace on board you will not play for stacks. Cooler.


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

WP


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