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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

This one is bugging me and want to do it the right way.

I want to define an opponent's calling range in the most accurate way.

That's it _cool:
I'll start with a hand and provide my own thinking, then you decide if it's good or abysmally wrong.
Then i take my beating and a better way to calculate these ranges from all of you.
OK i go and provide the situation and some hypothetical history between me and an opponent.

Say, i am on CO with 8bb and ATs. Say i saw my BB opponent with 32bb calls a 12bb BTN shove with KQo 2 hands ago.

Using a chart this is probably a shove. Fine and peachy.
Let's say i don't have a chart and want to do the hard but the most accurate way, by taking into account my opponents calling range (what's missing from hand charts).

Here's the assumptions i would make:

* Based on the situation 2 hands ago, he called with KQo, therefore i assume he has a calling range of 9%
* Based on pusher's position (BTN) i assume he calls wider than if the pusher was UTG, therefore his calling range of 9% may not be true for UTG pushers
* Based on pusher's stack (12bb) i assume he calls wider than if the pusher had a stack say 20bb effective
* Finally, i assume my BB opponent makes use of all the above

Now from all of this i have the following conclusions (somehow obvious):

* BB calls a push based on pusher's position
* BB calls a push based on pusher's effective stack

Therefore, BB's calling range is basically calculated by 2 things:
1. pusher's position
2. effective stack

Finally on my hypothetical hand above i expect him to call me with a calling range wider than 9%, perhaps about 15% (this is guessed), because:
1. BTN is later than CO
2. Effective size is 8bb rather 12bb

My question using the conclusion:

It's accurate to say that my BB opponent calls at least 9% with 12bb effective from BTN?

I know of course that there are other stuff to consider like table image, ICM etc. I just want a starting point to correctly analyze situations and build my strategy and methodology using some facts the correct way.
It's easy to say "blah i have KJs and believe he calls 10% of the time on my shove". Yeah right, how the heck did you just calculated that he calls 10% of the time i would ask _evil:
Thanx for any help.

PS. i know that you can make an ICM-based push but you still need accurate calling ranges, so my question.


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

Phew....I have a completely different thinking process:

*looking at stats (HUD)
*looking at Villains hands at showdowns
*putting him on the "standard fish calling range" (every suited A, every pair, any two facecards, prob. any two suiteds - depending on stats)
*calculating my equity against his range
*checking how much equity I need in this situation (bubble factor, risk factor)
*estimating fold equity
*remembering ICM-ranges
*adjusting my ranges to Villains stats (to my observations) which means normally: tightening them up!

I don´t think you can make a perfectly accurate calculation because don´t forget: Villains are human beeings, they have emotions, they may play emotionally, tilting or tightening up or suddely making a horrible call. I saw many Villains with quite solid stats and solid hands and then at the bubble they make a terrible call!


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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

Thanx prim, i appreciate your sharing of thought process _thumbsup:


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