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AA 3 way spot.

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kielonus
Joined: 21.03.2014

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 14.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 129)
SB: 148.2 BB (VPIP: 20.35, PFR: 16.81, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 113)
BB: 120 BB (VPIP: 18.48, PFR: 9.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 92)
Hero (UTG): 347 BB
MP: 108.4 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.10, PFR: 19.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 109)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ac As
Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (10.4 BB, 3 players) 5d 7c Js
Hero bets 5 BB, MP calls 5 BB, fold

Turn : (20.4 BB, 2 players) 8c
Hero bets 9.6 BB, MP calls 9.6 BB

River : (39.6 BB, 2 players) 3c
Hero bets 18.4 BB, MP raises to 47 BB, fold

MP wins 101.2 BB

What do you think about this? Flpo is queite dry so I play cbet. Afer his call on turn I had red light so i only bet the river because I wanted to set the price.


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corvusim
Joined: 20.06.2016

Bigger cbets, no idea why you bet half pot 3way on a dry flop with an overpair? Otherwise fine, you gave v good price to call with his draws and he obv got there so a fold is good in this spot, you don't beat anything except a bluff. And I don't see 18/12 player having them otr on zoom ever - I might be in the wrong here since partypoker doesn't store stats for villains so I assume all villain stats are random here; not random but rather a combination of all villains sitting in that spot.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Hero opens from UTG so a lot of pocket pairs. The flop is dry. Theoretically there is no need for a bigger bet since it would be more difficult to balance with our opening range.


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kielonus
Joined: 21.03.2014

@corvusim

You mean that stats on ff party are shit?


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corvusim
Joined: 20.06.2016

Yes, since they changed the way hand histories are saved to disk - hero is always labeled as 'hero' (or your username), but other villains in cash game are saved as 'player 1', 'player 2' and so on so the stats on fast forward are pretty much useless since they are an average of all villains that you encountered in that seat, they don't describe that villain in particular. On standard tables you can use the stats but you have to pay attention if that's the same villain or has someone else taken his seat. Hero's stats are fine though.

@la55i
Once we get called on a dry flop 3way I'd definitely raise the sizing a bit, so while the flop can be ok since we're 3way, it's dry and we have a monster, ott I'd go for 13bb minimum since the board is now much more connected.


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kielonus
Joined: 21.03.2014

Thanks for this, I didn't know that. Are u playin on party? Do You have some solution to get stats from player on party or can I put my PT4 to trash? :f_o:

I don't want cbet more than 1/2 pot cause in 3 way pot player are honest especialy when I am opening from UTG and my range is tight. 13bb is over bet post so we can expect action in that way only from sets, hands that we can get some value (88, 99, JT etc) would fold even AJ can fold to us in this case. I prefer cbet 40-50% pot.


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corvusim
Joined: 20.06.2016

13bb was my suggestion for the turn cbet after we get called 1/2p otf.

I'm playing on party but I'm playing standard cash tables, when I have 50ish hands on villains I try to label them but don't pay too much attention to color coding and such here since it's always on a uselessly small sample, except for the basic VPIP-PFR stats which are still useful as they can illustrate villains basic ranges pre. As I said your stats are saved so you can see hand histories, graphs, leaks etc so it's definitely still recommended to use PT4.


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kielonus
Joined: 21.03.2014

Sry about that 13bb my misunderstanding.

Yes sure, but its only for myself. I play regular tabels as well. What kind of stakes are u playin? If u want I am tryin to make some group on skype for pp micro. Contact me prive.


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