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tzoun
Joined: 02.05.2009

Poker Stars, $0.23 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 3,185 (26.5 bb)
BB: 3,028 (25.2 bb)
MP1: 2,865 (23.9 bb)
MP2: 5,911 (49.3 bb)
MP3: 774 (6.5 bb)
CO: 4,194 (35 bb)
BTN: 3,019 (25.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J♣: A♠:
4 folds, BTN raises to 300, Hero raises to 720, BB folds, BTN calls 420

Flop: (1,665) 5♦: 2♥: 6♥: (2 players)
Hero bets 789, BTN raises to 2,284 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

3,243 pot
Final Board: 5♦: 2♥: 6♥:
Hero mucked J♣: A♠: and lost (-1,524 net)
BTN mucked and won 3,243 (1,719 net)

Vpip:23, Pfr:18, Hands:32

Usually I shove here, I wanted to try something different and 3bet small. How is this approach?
Flop call or fold?


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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

You invested about 50% of your stack with 2 bets.
Folding after essentially get pot-commited is a bad play in my opinion.
Shoving is not that bad but your opponent doesn't seems fishy by stats (although small sampled) and he could as well have an overpair here.


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angalius
Joined: 10.11.2011

I dislike the small 3bet, either go big or call. He has 4:1 odds to call your raise in position, as played I would check/fold the turn


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Pre-flop with the big antes in play I don’t think it’s bad to 3bet shove out of position and if you want to 3bet the normal way you need to invest almost 1/3 of your stack with a 3x sizing that I would do here if I don’t 3bet shove.

Now you get in an awkward post-flop situation as well with those shallow stacks. On this flop I expect the BTN has a lot of pairs in his calling range pre-flop that doesn’t fold on a Cbet and I would check/fold this flop.

Originally posted by angalius
I dislike the small 3bet, either go big or call. He has 4:1 odds to call your raise in position, as played I would check/fold the turn

I expect you mean flop here :f_wink:

Cheers,
SDK1987


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tzoun
Joined: 02.05.2009

If you 3bet 3x preflop is it 3bet call or fold if he shoves?


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angalius
Joined: 10.11.2011

Originally posted by tzoun
If you 3bet 3x preflop is it 3bet call or fold if he shoves?

Hard to say since its a 25 cent game, but ussually I dont expect the everyday poker player to 4bet A9,AT, maybe 99 but thats best case scenario, so I dont mind 3bet/folding and losing 1/3 of my stack


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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016

The 3-bet is too loose in my opinion. I would just flat and see the flop. Check back the flop and see what Villain does. The flop is very draw-heavy and you shouldn´t c-bet oop on this flop, especially not against an unkown Villain. I would play either check-call or check-fold postflop (depending on the reads I have on Villain).


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by angalius

Originally posted by tzoun
If you 3bet 3x preflop is it 3bet call or fold if he shoves?

Hard to say since its a 25 cent game, but ussually I dont expect the everyday poker player to 4bet A9,AT, maybe 99 but thats best case scenario, so I dont mind 3bet/folding and losing 1/3 of my stack

I would fold on a 4bet as well.

Originally posted by Primrose6789
The 3-bet is too loose in my opinion. I would just flat and see the flop. Check back the flop and see what Villain does. The flop is very draw-heavy and you shouldn´t c-bet oop on this flop, especially not against an unkown Villain. I would play either check-call or check-fold postflop (depending on the reads I have on Villain).

Calling out of position with these stack sizes against a BTN steal seems nitty as well, but I would always 3bet shove in spots like this for 25bb effective when the BTN is raising 2,5x.


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