GII w/ a set on wet board

There is a small chance he has TPTK or 2pair on that board, but that's not all you have to consider. Look at the line your taking and on the board in play.

1) Are there any possible flushdraws OTF you can have? no
2) Are there any possible straightdraws you can have? 1 or 2 if you call A4/5s pre.
3) leaves us /w little to no bluffs.
4) is our line bluffheavy? we x/c x/c donkbet a superdry board, is this a line often used as bluffs? no.
5) So he will perceive our range as superstrong, will he raise this lightly, with air or value? no.
6) -> thus his raisingrange otr is real nutsy-> do we beat nuts? no
7) What will he do with the 'possible' air he still has after his raise and we ship it, he'll fold, so why ship vs nutsy value range.

8) drawing to a straight and one card to come =/= 32% equity.

Originally posted by Varune
There is a small chance he has TPTK or 2pair on that board, but that's not all you have to consider. Look at the line your taking and on the board in play.

1) Are there any possible flushdraws OTF you can have? no
2) Are there any possible straightdraws you can have? 1 or 2 if you call A4/5s pre.
3) leaves us /w little to no bluffs.
4) is our line bluffheavy? we x/c x/c donkbet a superdry board, is this a line often used as bluffs? no.
5) So he will perceive our range as superstrong, will he raise this lightly, with air or value? no.
6) -> thus his raisingrange otr is real nutsy-> do we beat nuts? no
7) What will he do with the 'possible' air he still has after his raise and we ship it, he'll fold, so why ship vs nutsy value range.

8) drawing to a straight and one card to come =/= 32% equity.

Thank you. This well help my thought process tremendously.

I'm digging into my database here and studying what I am and am not cbetting with and seeing where I'm going with what on the turn and river. There's clearly a huge leak on the turn so I need to start planning the hand out OTF better.

You think about it in a completely wrong way. It is ridiculous what u typing here (nonhate, domt get offended, just trying to put the right words so u can solve this). Actually ive been on same board few weeks ago. Everything goes wrong and u jist feel desperate and thinking "is playing poker even worth my time?". And mate, that was just one month period of downswing. Which is really nothing, now i see how ludacris it was. The problem is in your mind, u shouldnt even think in the way u typing posts there. Yes, it might be variance, most likely it is not. In fact i would bet my penis that u do something wrong. Every time there is a better aproach u can take with certain hand in a certain spot. No matter the limit. And what is it good that u pitty urself here? It wont help u. What WILL help u is to cut the volume and do some theory, trust me. Its not about u learn new things but it will clear ur mind, u will be surprised. What works for me, when i m satisfied with my game i play a lot and do basically no theory. When my mindgame is fucked i cut the volume and do theory (well thats the plan, usually it costs me few more bi before i realize smthings wrong and i should leave the tables).

Ps: Sorry for punctuation, i would believe it was hard to make it through, my eng aint best either ♦

Hopefully it makes sense what i wrote im a bit drunk ♦

Originally posted by Mozzek
You think about it in a completely wrong way. It is ridiculous what u typing here (nonhate, domt get offended, just trying to put the right words so u can solve this). Actually ive been on same board few weeks ago. Everything goes wrong and u jist feel desperate and thinking "is playing poker even worth my time?". And mate, that was just one month period of downswing. Which is really nothing, now i see how ludacris it was. The problem is in your mind, u shouldnt even think in the way u typing posts there. Yes, it might be variance, most likely it is not. In fact i would bet my penis that u do something wrong. Every time there is a better aproach u can take with certain hand in a certain spot. No matter the limit. And what is it good that u pitty urself here? It wont help u. What WILL help u is to cut the volume and do some theory, trust me. Its not about u learn new things but it will clear ur mind, u will be surprised. What works for me, when i m satisfied with my game i play a lot and do basically no theory. When my mindgame is fucked i cut the volume and do theory (well thats the plan, usually it costs me few more bi before i realize smthings wrong and i should leave the tables).

Ps: Sorry for punctuation, i would believe it was hard to make it through, my eng aint best either ♦

Hopefully it makes sense what i wrote im a bit drunk ♦

Your post makes perfect sense but it does *still* seem to ignore the fact that I'm winning on two other networks. I don't see why I would stop playing there and just study theory videos. For what? Further, I didn't at all question if "poker is worth my time" in any of these threads lately. I've only wondered if WPN is worth my time and yet another deposit. If I was losing across the board I'd have a little more faith in the system but since it's only happening like this on one network, and I know for a fact that the live $1/2 guys are even worse than the average online micros player, yeah ...I do sit and wonder why I'm playing in those games. The reason is because I'm a US player and if I want to keep up with adequate volume, I have to play there.

Last week you suggested I take time off, too and I just went and played on the other networks, won, and increased my confidence tenfold. I stopped playing like scared money, started winning, and moved back to WPN where the results just continued to be abysmal. I know you're trying to help but I've repeatedly explained why "taking time off" and watching videos is a bad idea for me. I told you, if I stop now (or really at any point) and switch gears, I'll wind up drifting. Everyone is different and although taking a break may work for you, it doesn't work for me.

I can continue to play *and* study theory videos. Why not do both?

I'm going through my hand histories from this month and seeing that in just about every losing session, I'm pushing too hard with marginal hands on the flop and as a result I'm in bad shape on the turn compared to villain quite often. So, in sessions where I'm supposed to lose 1-2 BI's, I lose 3-5 as a result of a couple terribly overplayed hands.

A lot of this is clearly beginning on the flop. I think working on my cbetting and continuing ranges, including strengthening my check back range, is on the right track. Anyone disagree?

When do you create that blog? It would be easier to keep all these things in one place. Now we are using this thread, which has gone far off topic from the original post, and the Serious Problems Winning On WPN thread.

First thing I would recommend is really reading The Mental Game of Poker 1&2. Those books will help you fight tilt and also teach you learning techniques. I was once in your shoes and got my hands on TMGP2. It really changed the way I think about poker. If you have some mental game problems, those usually cost you a lot of money so it is good to fix those first.

When I first started playing I studied a lot of stuff and I knew a lot of things. The problem was that for some reason I didn't apply those strategies properly when playing. You might have the same problem. It might be a good idea to build your strategy again from scratch. Start watching the beginner videos and then build up from there. Study things one by one and apply those when playing before moving on.

When you are playing you have different stages. When you are focused and play well you play your A game. When you feel bad and play poorly you play your C game. Try to recognize when you are on your C game and think what kind of mistakes you constantly make. Then try to work on these mistakes.

As for keeping things in one place: Will do. I'm just writing and trying to get better so I haven't really been playing much attention to keeping things "neat" on here, if you will. I'll do so moving forward.

I won't keep up with a blog. I'm old enough to know that about myself. Further, it will just wind up turning into a place where I vent so I don't think it's a great idea to invite that upon myself.

When it comes to mental game and reading books on it, etc - What would be the goal of me doing so? I'm going to tell you right now that I'm never, ever, ever going to be the kind of person Jared Tendler is lol. Not on or off the tables. I'm not a zenmaster and I'm never going to be. It's not going to ever just not bother me to go on month long losing streaks. Ever. I've pondered this over and over whenever people talk about good mental game online and I really don't see how good it has to be before one can just sit down and play the game. Poker players aren't known for being emotionally stable...at all. In live play, I watch guys go NUTS all the time over hands. I never see any of these poker players that just remain completely emotionally balanced while they play. They're all online? It just seems odd.

I've done a ton of work on mental game and it hasn't been a waste at all. I've become far, far more patient and a think first kind of person in my day to day life. As said, though...there's a limit on how much one can just deviate from their personality. I wouldn't *want* to be the kind of person who didn't experience a wide range of emotions and that's not really the kind of people who succeed in this world, either.

I guess if I never lose in life or in any other poker venue other than WPN, I really have nothing to complain about. It's just ridiculous that as an American I have to fight, scrape, and scratch for small amounts of money in online poker and be relegated to a few sites globally. I have other talents and things I'm good at and I already know they would pay off (literally, financially) much, much more than online poker would at this point. If I feel that way, virtually everyone feels that way, and that's pretty much the case in America today. Such a small microcosm of society plays online poker anymore that even if legislation did drastically loosen up for us, I don't think there would be any drastic influx of new players once they saw how difficult the game was. People play this game to make money and time is money. I wouldn't make less money doing *anything* in this country. That's the only thing that makes me question "what's the point?" which is entirely logical and practical. I know some will say "yes but if you work hard and really stick it out, it's worth it". Is it? How realistic is it to expect to make 60k a year playing online poker as an American? There are at least three other paths I could embark on and be earning that kind of money within a month. Again, it's not just me in those shoes - It's every American.

You might have a lot tougher competition because the player pool you are playing in is a lot smaller. And that sucks. But I believe your player pool is still beatable, you just have to figure out how

Variance plays a big role and 20k hands is really nothing. In my last 20k hands I have lost 30 stacks, running 8 stacks under EV. At one point I lost 10 stacks in less than 4k hands.
In one of your posts you said that you might lose 3 extra stacks per session because of some overplays. In 10k hands that 3 stacks would be 3bb/100, which is a lot.
I wouldn't give up yet

About mental game:
It is good to understand that poker is a long term game. What matters is that you make the correct decisions. Everyone will have long losing streaks but eventually a good player will be winning. If fish wouldn't get lucky, there wouldn't be any fish. You can be irritated when you lose, but the most important thing is that you keep your head cool and don't start making more mistakes because of that.

I like you and I want to help you If you want to, you could record about 30min of your play and I could review it and give you some feedback.
Disclaimer: I'm not a professional poker player nor a coach, so I can't promise my advice will be any good